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| The legendary radio, movie, and TV star BOB HOPE |
BOB HOPE and STAN LEE are both gone now, which, considering that we of a certain age grew up exposed to the work of both gentlemen in their respective fields of entertainment, is a sad state of affairs. Two people who made such an immense contribution to the quality of our lives (assuming, of course, that you were a fan of either) no longer being around is a sombre reminder of our own mortality. After all, don't we tend to take for granted that the various entertainers we enjoyed in our youth will be with us throughout the entire span of our own lives? That they're no longer here diminishes our day-to-day enjoyment to some degree, don't you think? Were you a DAVID BOWIE fan? Then no doubt you lament his loss - though personally, I think he could 'sing nane' as we say in Scotland. Still, if you're a fan, you no doubt think he was taken too soon.
Now, generally speaking, I wouldn't say that I was an 'autograph hound', but there are a few select people I admired to the degree that, when the opportunity arose to obtain their signature or pose for a photograph with them, it was 'full steam ahead' for me. I've met Bob and Stan, RIKKI FULTON, MAYA ANGELOU, WILL EISNER, CAROLINE NIN, ARCHIE GOODWIN, BRIAN BOLLAND, and a few minor TV celebrities (by sheer chance in the latter case, not design). Strangely, I never asked Archie for his autograph, nor posed for a photo with Will (didn't have my camera with me) - and Maya seemed reluctant to sign for or pose with the four or five people (of which I was one) who met her at the stage door - but I got snapped with Bob, Stan (and got their autographs), and Archie - and got Rikki's, Brian's and Will's signatures to mark the occasion of meeting them.
(I've also got ROGER MOORE's, LEO BAXENDALE's, TERRY BAVE's, JOHN NOAKES', and MARIE SEVERIN's autographs, though I never actually met them. However, I spoke with Terry by 'phone on numerous occasions, and corresponded with Leo by letter. Oh, and I've also got writer and editor ALAN FENNELL's autograph, another gent I chatted with on the 'phone from time to time. Caroline, mentioned in the previous paragraph, is the only one out of everyone named who's still around as I type this.)
(I've also got ROGER MOORE's, LEO BAXENDALE's, TERRY BAVE's, JOHN NOAKES', and MARIE SEVERIN's autographs, though I never actually met them. However, I spoke with Terry by 'phone on numerous occasions, and corresponded with Leo by letter. Oh, and I've also got writer and editor ALAN FENNELL's autograph, another gent I chatted with on the 'phone from time to time. Caroline, mentioned in the previous paragraph, is the only one out of everyone named who's still around as I type this.)
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| Writer, editor, and creator STAN (The Man) LEE |
Of course, after they're gone, the work of those we admire is still available for us to enjoy whenever we wish, which is some consolation, but the act of connecting with them for however brief a moment is almost akin to connecting with their lives, experiences, and histories from before we met them. There I was shaking hands with Bob Hope, who grew up in the Depression, played Vaudeville, entertained the troops in various wars and conflicts, was a star during Hollywood's heyday, and, in his time, was probably the most famous and successful comedian in the world - and I somehow felt that I was connected to all that in some indefinable way; as if he himself were a conduit to his own past, and the mere act of shaking his hand or standing in his presence made me a participant-by-proxy in all he had done during his life and the periods he had lived through.
Yes, I know I'm fooling myself and that any such feeling is an illusion at best and a delusion at worst, but I just can't help thinking that way. "By appreciation we make excellence in others our own property" wrote VOLTAIRE, and in a similar way, it might also be said that "By association we make the experiences of others our own property". Sure, that's probably overstating the case, but it's only by such hyperbole that I can convey even the merest hint of what I'm trying to say.
Anyway, what are your own thoughts on the matter, if any? Do you agree with my sentiments or am I talking my usual load of utter pants? Have you ever met one (or more) of your idols, and if so, what effect did it have on you? Were they a total disappointment, or did you feel as though you were in the presence of (and thereby connected to) greatness? Feel free to express yourselves in the comments section.
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| MARVEL, DC, & WARREN writer and editor ARCHIE GOODWIN |
14 comments:
"That they are no longer here diminishes our day-to-day enjoyment to some degree, don't you think?"
No, I don't think. I agree that the likes of Bob Hope and Stan Lee were giants of popular culture but their deaths don't diminish the 'Road' films or Marvel comics one iota.
By the way, Voltaire also said:
"Religion fears reason like witches fear daylight"...
...a quotation from the 18th Century but still so relevant.
Well, I'm sure you don't feel that way about your family, CJ, and many people grew up regarding Bob, Stan, and others as though they were almost part of their family, and lament the fact that they're no longer around in the here and now. And I meant their absence can diminish our enjoyment of day-to-day life (to some degree), not our enjoyment of their body of work. As for Voltaire's comment about religion, while it may have been relevant in the 18th century (in regard to specific denominations), it is by no means a universal truth nowadays when it comes to the concept of religion per se, though it might apply in specific cases. Incidentally, science is a religion to a great many people, so the same thing could be said of it, too. And do witches fear daylight? H'mm, that's another thing open to debate.
Voltaire would probably have said "vampires fear daylight" if vampires had been popular in the 18th Century :D
And what makes you think that vampires WEREN'T popular in the 18th century, CJ? I was the chairman of the official vampire fan club back then. And are you suggesting that Voltaire's pronouncements were not quite as precisely composed as they might have been? What a chancer he was, eh?
I was thinking how to reply to this thread as it’s a good question Kid , but I don’t actually know if there not being here has diminished my day-to-day enjoyment. I was (still am)a massive Bowie fan so still enjoy his work although I was upset when I heard he had passed away especially as he had only just started to record new albums (and great albums they were although not to your tastes Kid) . But I think what I miss most was my associations with Bowie for example my brother was a fan of Bowie and we used to love listening to his albums and finding out about him, I also met a lot of friends (and an ex-girlfriend) through a shared interest in his music, but then again that was in the past (sadly as are some friends and my brother) so for me what has diminished is that link Bowie being there had with my past, his passing seemed to herald the end of that in some way even although I will still have the memories .
That's part of what I was getting at, PM - all the associations that such folk can have in connection to family and friends in our past who are now gone. While our (shared) favourite artists and performers remain, that link seems more distinct, but once they're gone too, it's like a shadow between them and our memories. I wasn't suggesting that we skulk around every day in constant sorrow, but, inevitably, at some point in the day, we'll remember we're slightly more distant from all we held dear and a touch of sorrow will brush our hearts. As usual, I probably didn't/haven't explained myself too well.
Ok then for me kid I agree, strange isn't it.
It's always strange when someone agrees with me, PM. Doesn't happen too often.
You raise an interesting discussion here, Kid. You’re not talking pants at all. I think that meeting your heroes runs the risk of disillusioning you and re-evaluating strongly held beliefs. But having a positive experience is worth its weight in gold.
I’ve been fortunate enough to meet a few of my heroes(Neal Adams, Denny O’Neil come to mind) in situations where I wasn’t in a long line of fee-paying acolytes, and found them to be friendly, interesting, interested individuals willing to spend the time for a conversation, and I came away refreshed, invigorated even, to have met them and not had my trust in them, or my illusions, dashed. To know that your trust in them was well placed is a relief. When I met Neal Adams, I think it was the time he spent joking with my then teenage sons which meant the most to me.
I’ve also bumped into other celebrities on my travels who I’ve found to be friendly individuals. A couple of summers back I found myself sitting next to Wayne Rooney on a flight from Miami to Washington DC, and had a brief chat about his upcoming negotiations with DC United. I spent a flight from Chicago to New York one evening sitting next to actor Jason Beghe (the gruff team leader in the TV show Chicago PD) and found him to be very affable. I shared my MacBook power cable with actor William Fichtner in the lounge in Los Angeles airport a couple of years back. All good people.
With regard to Bob Hope, I was never sufficiently familiar with his body of work to call myself a fan, although I have huge respect for his sheer professionalism and timing, and no doubt the amount of rehearsing he must have put in to make it all look so effortless.
I’m not an aficionado of stand-up at all, but I love the mid-1960s routines of Woody Allen (who of course was a Bob Hope gag writer early on), and I only came to appreciate the skills, encyclopedic memories and quick-wittedness of Bob Monkhouse and Ken Dodd towards the ends of their careers. True giants of their professions.
What was the circumstance of your photo with Archie Goodwin? By all accounts he was a well loved, highly respected individual, who passed away far too young.
Great that your experiences were all positive ones, B, it would have been so disappointing if they hadn't been. I must recommend a few Bob Hope movies for you to watch, so The Cat & The Canary, The Ghost Breakers (brilliant), My Favourite Brunette, Paleface, and Son Of Paleface will give you some great laughs - and in the case of the second one, a few chills.
Archie and his wife were guests at some Glasgow comics event, I think, and the organiser (John McShane) thought it would be a good idea to have another comics contributor at a lunch they were attending. All the big Scottish artists and writers must've been otherwise engaged, which is probably why my humble self was asked, and I was placed directly across from Archie, resulting in an interesting face-to-face chat with him for a couple of hours. If you type his name into my blog's search box, you'll find another post with a little more info.
Archie was a gent, and I could see why he was held in such high regard. Ann was likewise a pure gem, and I remember the evening fondly.
Just took a look at your other blog entry on Archie. Glad that you got the chance to meet him. I First remember him from his brief run editing Detective around about #437, and more recently have been catching up on his run editing Legends of the Dark Knight in the 90s.
Re the Bob Hope films - it looks like Cat & the Canary and Ghost Breakers have recently been remastered on blu-ray. So I shall take your advice to pick them as a starter.
Yeah, I can't believe I read some of his stories as a teenager, then got to meet him as an adult. It still gives me a thrill when I re-read them today.
The Bob Hope movies are of their time, of course, and perhaps because I saw them when I was younger, it increases my appreciation of them. However, I'd be surprised if you didn't thoroughly enjoy them.
I just finished watching The Cat and The Canary...got the recently restored film on blu-ray from Kino Lorber. Thoroughly enjoyed it. The film is of its time, as you say, but is also very fresh. Paulette Goddard was a bit of a looker as well. Listening to the commentary, it was interesting to learn how the film was really the start of a mixed genre of movie-making (horror and comedy) and was quite ground breaking in its time.
I'll add Ghost Breakers to my Xmas wish list.
The good news, B, is that Ghost Breakers is even better - and has Paulette Goddard as well. And a young Anthony Quinn. Great movie.
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