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A thought occurred to me the other day about Star Trek. If they have a transporter, able to beam crew from ship to planet and back, why do they need a lift to go from deck to deck?
Presumably because it's quicker to go from deck-to-deck by high speed lift than by transporter, as they'd have to use the lift to go to the transporter room in order to transport to another deck, M.
Majel Barret also played Lwxana Troi (Deanna Troi's mother) in Star Trek: TNG and she also provided the voice of the ship's computer in Star Trek: Voyager.
I knew all that without googling her, Kid, but I have just googled her anyway and it turns out her lifespan was very close to my mother's - Majel was born five months before my mother and died eleven months before my mother died. Wikipedia also says that Majel provided most of the computer voices on the various Trek series not just Voyager.
On the subject of the Trek transporter - surely there's an obvious problem that is never addressed. Transporting involves breaking the body down into a stream of atoms which are then beamed to another location but how are the atoms re-assembled without some kind of device to do it? Surely the transporter device on the ship is only one half of the process and there'd need to be a similar device on the planet's surface to receive and re-assemble the atoms of the person being transported. And what happens to consciousness during the transportation process? We don't even understand what consciousness actually is but how can consciousness be broken down and transported? Would the re-assembled person have the same consciousness as before or a different one - in other words would their brain be the same as before or completely altered in some way?
I'm not convinced that you'd necessarily need something to reassemble the atoms at the point of arrival, CJ, as it could be an automatic result of being 'transported', built in to the design. And IF you could transport a person, surely you'd also be transporting their memories and personalities along with their atoms. The alternative is, I suppose, you're merely assembling a clone of the person and not the actual person themself, and that they're a brand-new creation with memories that are mere duplicates of the originals. You pays yer money and you makes yer choice.
The other reason for a lift could be that it uses less energy than the transporter therefore less drain on Scotty's precious dilithium crystals. That's a good point that Colin makes about a recieving transporter. I'd never considered that before. Whether or not this process becomes real in the distant future, I wouldn't like to be the guy making the first test transportation (even after trying it on animals first). Ever seen The Fly?
Yes, I'd considered the energy-saving aspect of the lift as opposed to the transporter, though failed to mention it. There was a story a few years ago in some of the national media that scientists had created a transporter and successfully transported a 50p piece from one place to another, but I never heard or read anything else about it afterwards.
I just realised that I spelt 'receiving' incorrectly. I even went through the rule 'i before e except after c' in my head and still got it wrong! Dammit! On the plus side, I've just found a pound coin down the side of the sofa, so I'm retiring to bed on that small victory.
Ummm I didn't know where to post this, Kid but I've just found a blog I think you may be interested in. Have you seen it already? http://sundayinoldmoney.blogspot.com I thought you might be interested in this post in particular: http://sundayinoldmoney.blogspot.com/2025/06/sunday-in-even-older-money.html Like yourself, the guy puts his heart and soul into his posts but I was dismayed to see that he has no comments or if he has, I haven't found one yet. And he's been doing it 9 years! Feel free not to publish this comment, I just wanted to let you know about the blog in case you wanted a read. I'll drop him a comment now.
I think there are lots of blog creators who don't care about comments and somebody who does care about them probably wouldn't continue with a blog for nine years without receiving any. There are certainly blog creators who don't care enough about comments to actually bother answering any that are left on their blog.
Yeah, it annoys me when people don't at least acknowledge a comment, CJ. I think there are some bloggers who are only interested in stating their own opinions at readers, not in considering - or even reading - the opinions of others. 'Talking' AT people, in short, not WITH them.
Thanks to Monty and yourself for the link to this blog, there is some great stuff on this. I was recently talking about the Story of Pop part work from 1973 and my mates couldn't remember it so I was pleased to see an article ( and cover) to this magazine as I was thinking I had imagined this.
Check out his profile, McS - he's got quite a few different blogs on the go by the look of things. I submitted a comment on the 21st but he still hasn't published it, leading me to suspect he's not really interested in receiving (or responding) to comments.
He hasn't published mine either! He mentioned about it would have been nice to have a discussion. Well try publishing comments to start with! I suppose I did think it strange that there were no comments at all. There is one on the very first post back in 2016 but that's the only one I found. Shame because there are some nice posts on there. Not as good as yours though, Kid. 😉
Maybe he hasn't set up email alerts to let him know he has comments and only checks for them occasionally, M, or maybe he's only publishing his posts for his own satisfaction? He puts a lot into his musings, but he mentions he might publish them in a book some day, so perhaps that's his sole motivation for writing? I won't be leaving any more comments until he publishes my first one (if he does).
I too visited the Sunday In Old Money blog but I didn't see any comment by Monty so I assumed it hadn't been published yet - obviously I didn't see your comment either, Kid, but I didn't know you'd left one. The SIOM blog does look interesting but a lot of blog creators don't seem to care about interacting with their readers in the way that you do on Crivens and I've always appreciated that you answer the comments, Kid, as it makes it worthwhile bothering to write a comment in the first place!
That's how I feel too, CJ. I wish those bloggers who don't respond to comments (or even publish submitted ones) would just delete the comment option so that people like you and me don't waste our time to start with.
I would have thought disabling the comments section would have been a good idea. Still it's worth a read as he has some really good stuff on his blog . My alert never works so if anyone replies to old blogs I miss them I will try again.
Might be worth a read, McS, but is it worth a comment when he doesn't seem interested in publishing them? If your alert doesn't work, it's more than likely it hasn't been set properly, so maybe worth checking.
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I believe Gene Roddenberry felt the same way.
One would hope so, considering they were married to one another.
A thought occurred to me the other day about Star Trek. If they have a transporter, able to beam crew from ship to planet and back, why do they need a lift to go from deck to deck?
Presumably because it's quicker to go from deck-to-deck by high speed lift than by transporter, as they'd have to use the lift to go to the transporter room in order to transport to another deck, M.
Majel Barret also played Lwxana Troi (Deanna Troi's mother) in Star Trek: TNG and she also provided the voice of the ship's computer in Star Trek: Voyager.
Yup, knew all that already, CJ, 'cos I looked her up on Google too. (And you left off a 't' in her surname.)
I knew all that without googling her, Kid, but I have just googled her anyway and it turns out her lifespan was very close to my mother's - Majel was born five months before my mother and died eleven months before my mother died. Wikipedia also says that Majel provided most of the computer voices on the various Trek series not just Voyager.
On the subject of the Trek transporter - surely there's an obvious problem that is never addressed. Transporting involves breaking the body down into a stream of atoms which are then beamed to another location but how are the atoms re-assembled without some kind of device to do it? Surely the transporter device on the ship is only one half of the process and there'd need to be a similar device on the planet's surface to receive and re-assemble the atoms of the person being transported.
And what happens to consciousness during the transportation process? We don't even understand what consciousness actually is but how can consciousness be broken down and transported? Would the re-assembled person have the same consciousness as before or a different one - in other words would their brain be the same as before or completely altered in some way?
I'm not convinced that you'd necessarily need something to reassemble the atoms at the point of arrival, CJ, as it could be an automatic result of being 'transported', built in to the design. And IF you could transport a person, surely you'd also be transporting their memories and personalities along with their atoms. The alternative is, I suppose, you're merely assembling a clone of the person and not the actual person themself, and that they're a brand-new creation with memories that are mere duplicates of the originals. You pays yer money and you makes yer choice.
The other reason for a lift could be that it uses less energy than the transporter therefore less drain on Scotty's precious dilithium crystals.
That's a good point that Colin makes about a recieving transporter. I'd never considered that before.
Whether or not this process becomes real in the distant future, I wouldn't like to be the guy making the first test transportation (even after trying it on animals first). Ever seen The Fly?
Yes, I'd considered the energy-saving aspect of the lift as opposed to the transporter, though failed to mention it. There was a story a few years ago in some of the national media that scientists had created a transporter and successfully transported a 50p piece from one place to another, but I never heard or read anything else about it afterwards.
I just realised that I spelt 'receiving' incorrectly. I even went through the rule 'i before e except after c' in my head and still got it wrong! Dammit! On the plus side, I've just found a pound coin down the side of the sofa, so I'm retiring to bed on that small victory.
Ummm I didn't know where to post this, Kid but I've just found a blog I think you may be interested in. Have you seen it already?
http://sundayinoldmoney.blogspot.com
I thought you might be interested in this post in particular:
http://sundayinoldmoney.blogspot.com/2025/06/sunday-in-even-older-money.html
Like yourself, the guy puts his heart and soul into his posts but I was dismayed to see that he has no comments or if he has, I haven't found one yet. And he's been doing it 9 years!
Feel free not to publish this comment, I just wanted to let you know about the blog in case you wanted a read. I'll drop him a comment now.
I decided to publish your comment so that other Crivvies can visit his blog if they like, M. I'll take a look.
And spend that £1 wisely, M.
I think there are lots of blog creators who don't care about comments and somebody who does care about them probably wouldn't continue with a blog for nine years without receiving any. There are certainly blog creators who don't care enough about comments to actually bother answering any that are left on their blog.
Yeah, it annoys me when people don't at least acknowledge a comment, CJ. I think there are some bloggers who are only interested in stating their own opinions at readers, not in considering - or even reading - the opinions of others. 'Talking' AT people, in short, not WITH them.
Thanks to Monty and yourself for the link to this blog, there is some great stuff on this. I was recently talking about the Story of Pop part work from 1973 and my mates couldn't remember it so I was pleased to see an article ( and cover) to this magazine as I was thinking I had imagined this.
Check out his profile, McS - he's got quite a few different blogs on the go by the look of things. I submitted a comment on the 21st but he still hasn't published it, leading me to suspect he's not really interested in receiving (or responding) to comments.
He hasn't published mine either! He mentioned about it would have been nice to have a discussion. Well try publishing comments to start with! I suppose I did think it strange that there were no comments at all. There is one on the very first post back in 2016 but that's the only one I found. Shame because there are some nice posts on there. Not as good as yours though, Kid. 😉
I did look at his other blogs yesterday but they seem to be old ones he didn't continue with, maybe only one post in some cases.
I've also got both existing episodes of 'The Man Outside' which I could have sent him had he replied.
Maybe he hasn't set up email alerts to let him know he has comments and only checks for them occasionally, M, or maybe he's only publishing his posts for his own satisfaction? He puts a lot into his musings, but he mentions he might publish them in a book some day, so perhaps that's his sole motivation for writing? I won't be leaving any more comments until he publishes my first one (if he does).
I too visited the Sunday In Old Money blog but I didn't see any comment by Monty so I assumed it hadn't been published yet - obviously I didn't see your comment either, Kid, but I didn't know you'd left one. The SIOM blog does look interesting but a lot of blog creators don't seem to care about interacting with their readers in the way that you do on Crivens and I've always appreciated that you answer the comments, Kid, as it makes it worthwhile bothering to write a comment in the first place!
That's how I feel too, CJ. I wish those bloggers who don't respond to comments (or even publish submitted ones) would just delete the comment option so that people like you and me don't waste our time to start with.
I would have thought disabling the comments section would have been a good idea. Still it's worth a read as he has some really good stuff on his blog . My alert never works so if anyone replies to old blogs I miss them I will try again.
Might be worth a read, McS, but is it worth a comment when he doesn't seem interested in publishing them? If your alert doesn't work, it's more than likely it hasn't been set properly, so maybe worth checking.
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