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I can't actually remember when I last read a Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel story, GP. It was probably the '70s series, though I'd have seen her in The Avengers mag, I think.
Not to hijack a perfectly good "sexy women" post, but did you at any point LIKE her character? Modern writers are so wrapped up in "identification" that they often don't seem to know how to make characters likable across the board. As Carol Danvers, supporting character to Captain Marvel, she was just OK. The first MS MARVEL issues by Conway made her just a knee-jerk feminist. But at least a few of Claremont's issues made her more interesting-- saying, for instance, that she inherited a lot of her stubbornness and hot temper from her old man. None of that IMO took away from her sexiness, either.
I can't really remember if I actually liked her or not, GP, but that's likely not something I ever thought about with female characters in comics, simply because I probably couldn't relate to them, me being a 'mere' man. Just bring on the action, is my motto. In fact, I'm not even sure I ever liked any male characters either (past their powers), simply because I knew they weren't real and liking them (as people) wasn't really necessary to enjoy the stories. H'm, I could be overthinking this.
Sure, any time any real person likes or admires a fictional character, what one is reacting to is the skill with which an author made the character compelling or convincing. Carol Danvers didn't really have a character, likable or otherwise, until Claremont revised her. "Admiration" probably is a better word than "liking." I doubt even the most ardent Judge Dredd fans "like" the character, but they can probably admire the consistency of his personality.
Well, Dredd is essentially a Nazi-of-sorts (or used to be), so he's bound not to be very likeable. I enjoy the Marvel Conan strips, but I couldn't say that I liked the character as a person. Strange. Same with Bond, who's really nothing more than an assassin. Maybe it's just me, 'cos I don't seem to like anyone much - not even real people.
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I miss that costume, particularly keeping in mind the horror that replaced it. Though at least the bad costume matched the badly remolded character.
I can't actually remember when I last read a Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel story, GP. It was probably the '70s series, though I'd have seen her in The Avengers mag, I think.
Not to hijack a perfectly good "sexy women" post, but did you at any point LIKE her character? Modern writers are so wrapped up in "identification" that they often don't seem to know how to make characters likable across the board. As Carol Danvers, supporting character to Captain Marvel, she was just OK. The first MS MARVEL issues by Conway made her just a knee-jerk feminist. But at least a few of Claremont's issues made her more interesting-- saying, for instance, that she inherited a lot of her stubbornness and hot temper from her old man. None of that IMO took away from her sexiness, either.
I can't really remember if I actually liked her or not, GP, but that's likely not something I ever thought about with female characters in comics, simply because I probably couldn't relate to them, me being a 'mere' man. Just bring on the action, is my motto. In fact, I'm not even sure I ever liked any male characters either (past their powers), simply because I knew they weren't real and liking them (as people) wasn't really necessary to enjoy the stories. H'm, I could be overthinking this.
Sure, any time any real person likes or admires a fictional character, what one is reacting to is the skill with which an author made the character compelling or convincing. Carol Danvers didn't really have a character, likable or otherwise, until Claremont revised her. "Admiration" probably is a better word than "liking." I doubt even the most ardent Judge Dredd fans "like" the character, but they can probably admire the consistency of his personality.
Well, Dredd is essentially a Nazi-of-sorts (or used to be), so he's bound not to be very likeable. I enjoy the Marvel Conan strips, but I couldn't say that I liked the character as a person. Strange. Same with Bond, who's really nothing more than an assassin. Maybe it's just me, 'cos I don't seem to like anyone much - not even real people.
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