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My mother had utter contempt for Page 3 girls - she thought they were cheap tarts. A few years ago Sam Fox came out as a lesbian which is rather ironic considering she was being ogled by male Sun readers while Sam herself was fantasising about the ladies.
What would your mother have thought of topless bathing, CJ, and mothers breast-feeding their weans in public? And maybe Sam didn't realise she was a lesbian until later in life, when she had 'her buttons pushed' by another woman. She'd been married to a man, who perhaps disillusioned her, and then a lesbian maybe seduced her at a vulnerable moment?
Kid, my parents were married for 12 years before they had any children and my father's hobby was photography during that time. He took photos of my mother nude in outdoor locations but it was all very tasteful and my mother was quite happy for me to see the photos and wasn't at all embarrassed about it (my father developed the photos himself in his own darkroom so they weren't sent to a chemist to be developed).
Can't really see why your mother objected to Page 3 Girls then, CJ. After all, a pair of tits is a pair of tits. To be a male chauvinist pig for a second, logical thinking has never been a strong point with most women, has it?
I remember Gail McKenna. I had a massive poster of Sam Fox on my bedroom wall, still got it I think, I surely wouldn't have thrown it away even if she is on the other bus. I remember liking Debbie Linden until I heard her speak and found out she was as rough as hell and a junkie. Such a waste. Did you buy the Daily Star, Kid? They had a colour Starbird for you to cut out and keep. I had to wait until the paper had gone into recycling so I could retrieve it and secretly amass my collection.
Talking of a pair of tits, I was watching the Budget earlier.....
Yes, I used to buy the Daily Star in the '70s and '80s and cut out the Page 3s. I think Debbie Linden (who I also liked) appeared in an episode of Minder. I believe she came to a sad end (in real life, I mean, not in Minder). I also liked Maria Whittaker and a whole host of other Page 3 babes - too numerous to mention. Sad little git, wasn't I?
No, not at all. They brightened any red-blooded, healthy young (or old) male's day. Or female's if it was Sam Fox. Something to look forward to if the news was depressing. Point of order though, the Starbird was on page 7. That's my level of sadness. 😁
Yes, fairly sure Debbie died from a heroin overdose. Tragic. I think she was also in the odd episode of Are You Being Served as one of Young Mr Grace's dolly birds.
Yes, I recall seeing her on 'Are You Being Served?' as well. Were the Star Birds always on page 7, or did they start on Page 3 then migrate? I bought the Star a couple or so weeks back and the pin-up was on page 3 'cos I don't think the Sun does Page 3s now. Page 3 or Page 7, though, I think they were routinely referred to by the public as Page 3s.
They definitely started on page 7 to be different to The Sun, I suppose. They may well have moved to page 3 later. I haven't bought a paper in years but I do remember it being in the news that The Sun had stopped or covered up the page 3 girl. And yes they were mostly known as page 3 girls, such is the legacy from The Sun. I remember Katie Price debuting in The Sun and later asking the readers if she should have a boob job. I think they had a vote on it. Sadly it must have messed with her mind and she became addicted to a life of reality and surgery. She was quite attractive before she started down that road.
Vague memories of it being page 7 are starting to burrow their way to the front of my mind. I suppose I retroactively imagined it was page 3 because that's how topless newspaper burds were usually referred to. I haven't looked at the link yet, but I remember buying the first issue of the Daily Star when it first came out, way back in the '70s. I remember Katie Price asking whether Sun readers thought she should have a boob job or not, and I think the response was no. She accepted it for a while and then later changed her mind (if I recall events rightly). Yeah, she was better looking before all the surgery. Remember Jane Warner, Sian Adey-Jones, Gillian Duxbury, Joanne Latham, and a load of others? I've got a book about Page 3 Girls somewhere - I must dig it out and refresh my memories. I'm a real paper pin-up perv and no mistake.
Kid, my mother objected to Page 3 girls going topless for millions of men to leer at which is rather different from a few private photos. Let's not forget that The Sun supported the Tories, the party of so-called "family values" though in fact they were the party of Cecil Parkinson and numerous other lecherous Tory MPs.
Whether it was for millions of men to 'leer' at or just one man to 'leer' at, CJ, it doesn't make a lot of difference in my view. And who says that a normal male appreciation of the aesthetic curves of a beautiful woman is leering? When you cop a gander at a fully-dressed woman in a bus stop and think "She's a bit of all right", isn't that leering as well? Everyone 'leers' to some degree all the time. What you could see in the Sun and the Star, you could see on beaches every summer, so what's the difference? And there you go dragging politics into it again with your obsessive antipathy towards the Tories. And are you truly saying that there were no lecherous MPs in other parties who publicly subscribed to the notion of so-called 'family values' who failed to live up to their alleged principals? They're all the same. You need to stop your ingrained hostility to Tories, especially after Labour's budget seems to have gone down like a lead balloon according to the reaction that's being reported. You're talking p*sh again, CJ, you need to take up a hobby outside of politics.
I mentioned the Tories only because they made a big deal about being the party that supported family values back in the '80s but MPs like Cecil Parkinson kept messing up the official party line. In the recent general election I didn't vote for ANY party so I'm definitely not a spokesman for Labour but seeing as our public services are falling to bits I don't see they had much choice about the budget.
There's always a choice, CJ, though you'll no doubt be delighted that so many pensioners are losing their winter fuel allowance as you hate them almost as much as the Tories. No, you mentioned them because you've got a bee in your bonnet about them and use every unconnected opportunity to drag them into the discussion, whatever the topic. You do it on every blog you visit. Has Biffo The Bear got a big nose? Yeah, but what about those bloody Tories, eh? And all politicians present themselves as being for 'family values', whether they actually use that term or not. Harold Wilson, perhaps Labour's most famous Prime Minister, had an affair, which would've been regarded with more disapproval than today had it been known by the public, because of the attitudes of the time. When will you get it through your head - they're mostly all lying, deceitful, dishonest scumbags?!
I only visit three blogs, Kid - yours, Steve Does Comics and Rip Jagger's Dojo so I'm genuinely baffled by your claim that I mention the Tories at "every unconnected opportunity" when I only ever mention them if it's relevant which isn't very often. If you're monitoring my comments so closely I'm surprised you haven't noticed that I've criticised Blair's Labour and Starmer's Labour too on numerous occasions. You accuse me of "dragging politics into it again" but Monty's remark "Talking of a pair of tits, I was watching the budget earlier" is allowed to pass without any criticism even though it's clearly a political comment about an event that happened only yesterday whereas my comment concerned events that happened 40 years ago and wasn't criticising the modern Tory party which has long since abandoned its' claim to be the party of family values. I must repeat that I didn't vote for ANY party in the election but I'd be interested to know what other choices you think the government had in the budget.
You might visit only 3 blogs now, CJ, but you've visited more than that over the years. Bronze Age Babies, That Was Then, The Peerless Power of Comics, Retro Forteana, and a few others. You hijack the most tenuous connection to have a go at the Tories whenever you can, whether it's relevant or not. Tories and Pensioners, they're your chief obsessions. As for M's remark, he was merely using the opportunity to tie in the word 'tits' with politicians (and they're all tits, whatever their party) and he didn't go on about it the way you do - just a short pithee comment in order to make a joke. And hark - you're still going on about events from 40 years ago, which suggests a certain amount of obsession with the Tories. I never followed the Budget myself, but I could see that it didn't go down too well. And although I'm not partisan, I think it's a disgrace that already overly-well paid workers (train drivers, doctors, etc.,) got huge rises, whereas some of the most vulnerable people in society got money taken away. There'll be no end to threatened strikes in the future, now that the Government has rolled over like a puppy and caved in to Union demands.
Your comment was awaiting my discovery (and publication), M, as I typed out my response to CJ. Speaking for myself, I took your remark completely in the spirit which it was intended. I don't mind people mentioning politics, but CJ tends to batter everyone over the head with his dislike for the Tories. Personally speaking, I don't like any political parties.
Kid, it's rather bizarre that you accuse me of "still going on about events from 40 years ago" when this post is about Gail McKenna, a Page 3 girl from 40 years ago and Crivens itself is a blog dedicated to nostalgia for a period mostly from the '60s and '70s!!
I simply don't recognise your claim that "CJ tends to batter everyone over the head with his dislike for the Tories" but as it annoys you I'll try to mention the Tories as little as possible and criticise Labour equally (which I thought I did anyway). Satisfied?
As for pensioners, I'm pretty sure I promised not to mention pensioners anymore a few years back but as it happens I'm mystified why the government has made such a big deal about scrapping the Winter Fuel Payment when they'll save such a relatively small amount from it. But three million pensioners on Pension Credit will still get the WFP and I think they'll get a 50% increase. Also pensioners not currently receiving Pension Credit are being encouraged to apply for it so isn't that a good thing?
I don't know about train drivers but if junior doctors don't get higher wages they'll go off to places like Australia where the pay is better so how does that help the NHS? In the budget the government mostly raised taxes on the better-off and clamped down on tax avoidance by the rich so what's wrong with that? As far as I know most of the public agrees with such moves and I suspect the criticism is coming from those who'll have to pay more.
You're trying to shift the goalposts, CJ, you naughty boy. A blog about nostalgia is obviously going to cover topics from the past, but such is your hatred of Tories that you not only angrily criticise them now, you're also prepared to go back 40 years to really put the boot in. In short, any excuse to exercise your dislike of them. Me mentioning a comic or toy from the '60s or '70s is hardly comparable. I reminisce from an affectionate and nostalgic standpoint, your obsessed rants spring from hatred of one particular party. You might occasionally criticise politicians from other parties, but you reserve your hostility for the Tory party as an entity. Isn't that being bigoted to reserve your antipathy for just one?
Pensioners are among the most vulnerable members of society and most of them don't have long to go, so taking away their money to give it to better-off people just doesn't seem right to me. And pensioners applying for Pension Credit is only a good thing if they actually get it. Will they?
I'm all for better-off people and the rich paying their taxes, but you're indulging in a contradiction-in-thinking, because aren't they just as likely to up-sticks and move elsewhere - oh, say, like Australia or someplace - and then we won't get any tax or investment at all from them?
Junior doctors knew the pay going in and they're hardly underpaid, so are you saying that giving in to sheer greed is a good thing and should be rewarded? And I'm pretty sure there's probably a limit to just how many Doctors that Australia could accommodate before Ossie docs complained about their jobs being nicked.
Yeah, it's far more complicated than that, but going from news reports on the telly, the public being interviewed don't seem too impressed by the Budget. However, it'll be the same as any Budget - some will win, some will lose - let's just hope it's the right people in either case.
Gillian Duxbury and Joanne Latham ring a bell but I'm more familiar with Corinne Russell, Kathy Lloyd, Maria Whittaker, Linda Lusardi and Suzanne Mizzi, that era. I just read that Suzanne Mizzi died in 2011 aged 43. How utterly tragic. That has really saddened me.
Saddens me as well - I thought she'd yet be out there, still looking lovely. There was another Kathy I liked (Star Bird), but I can't remember her name. Corrine Russell had a brief appearance in Highlander.
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My mother had utter contempt for Page 3 girls - she thought they were cheap tarts. A few years ago Sam Fox came out as a lesbian which is rather ironic considering she was being ogled by male Sun readers while Sam herself was fantasising about the ladies.
What would your mother have thought of topless bathing, CJ, and mothers breast-feeding their weans in public? And maybe Sam didn't realise she was a lesbian until later in life, when she had 'her buttons pushed' by another woman. She'd been married to a man, who perhaps disillusioned her, and then a lesbian maybe seduced her at a vulnerable moment?
Kid, my parents were married for 12 years before they had any children and my father's hobby was photography during that time. He took photos of my mother nude in outdoor locations but it was all very tasteful and my mother was quite happy for me to see the photos and wasn't at all embarrassed about it (my father developed the photos himself in his own darkroom so they weren't sent to a chemist to be developed).
Can't really see why your mother objected to Page 3 Girls then, CJ. After all, a pair of tits is a pair of tits. To be a male chauvinist pig for a second, logical thinking has never been a strong point with most women, has it?
I remember Gail McKenna. I had a massive poster of Sam Fox on my bedroom wall, still got it I think, I surely wouldn't have thrown it away even if she is on the other bus. I remember liking Debbie Linden until I heard her speak and found out she was as rough as hell and a junkie. Such a waste. Did you buy the Daily Star, Kid? They had a colour Starbird for you to cut out and keep. I had to wait until the paper had gone into recycling so I could retrieve it and secretly amass my collection.
Talking of a pair of tits, I was watching the Budget earlier.....
Yes, I used to buy the Daily Star in the '70s and '80s and cut out the Page 3s. I think Debbie Linden (who I also liked) appeared in an episode of Minder. I believe she came to a sad end (in real life, I mean, not in Minder). I also liked Maria Whittaker and a whole host of other Page 3 babes - too numerous to mention. Sad little git, wasn't I?
No, not at all. They brightened any red-blooded, healthy young (or old) male's day. Or female's if it was Sam Fox. Something to look forward to if the news was depressing. Point of order though, the Starbird was on page 7. That's my level of sadness. 😁
Yes, fairly sure Debbie died from a heroin overdose. Tragic. I think she was also in the odd episode of Are You Being Served as one of Young Mr Grace's dolly birds.
Yes, I recall seeing her on 'Are You Being Served?' as well. Were the Star Birds always on page 7, or did they start on Page 3 then migrate? I bought the Star a couple or so weeks back and the pin-up was on page 3 'cos I don't think the Sun does Page 3s now. Page 3 or Page 7, though, I think they were routinely referred to by the public as Page 3s.
They definitely started on page 7 to be different to The Sun, I suppose. They may well have moved to page 3 later. I haven't bought a paper in years but I do remember it being in the news that The Sun had stopped or covered up the page 3 girl. And yes they were mostly known as page 3 girls, such is the legacy from The Sun. I remember Katie Price debuting in The Sun and later asking the readers if she should have a boob job. I think they had a vote on it. Sadly it must have messed with her mind and she became addicted to a life of reality and surgery. She was quite attractive before she started down that road.
Here's the first issue cover, it mentions Starbird page 7 at the bottom.
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Vague memories of it being page 7 are starting to burrow their way to the front of my mind. I suppose I retroactively imagined it was page 3 because that's how topless newspaper burds were usually referred to. I haven't looked at the link yet, but I remember buying the first issue of the Daily Star when it first came out, way back in the '70s. I remember Katie Price asking whether Sun readers thought she should have a boob job or not, and I think the response was no. She accepted it for a while and then later changed her mind (if I recall events rightly). Yeah, she was better looking before all the surgery. Remember Jane Warner, Sian Adey-Jones, Gillian Duxbury, Joanne Latham, and a load of others? I've got a book about Page 3 Girls somewhere - I must dig it out and refresh my memories. I'm a real paper pin-up perv and no mistake.
Kid, my mother objected to Page 3 girls going topless for millions of men to leer at which is rather different from a few private photos. Let's not forget that The Sun supported the Tories, the party of so-called "family values" though in fact they were the party of Cecil Parkinson and numerous other lecherous Tory MPs.
Whether it was for millions of men to 'leer' at or just one man to 'leer' at, CJ, it doesn't make a lot of difference in my view. And who says that a normal male appreciation of the aesthetic curves of a beautiful woman is leering? When you cop a gander at a fully-dressed woman in a bus stop and think "She's a bit of all right", isn't that leering as well? Everyone 'leers' to some degree all the time. What you could see in the Sun and the Star, you could see on beaches every summer, so what's the difference? And there you go dragging politics into it again with your obsessive antipathy towards the Tories. And are you truly saying that there were no lecherous MPs in other parties who publicly subscribed to the notion of so-called 'family values' who failed to live up to their alleged principals? They're all the same. You need to stop your ingrained hostility to Tories, especially after Labour's budget seems to have gone down like a lead balloon according to the reaction that's being reported. You're talking p*sh again, CJ, you need to take up a hobby outside of politics.
I mentioned the Tories only because they made a big deal about being the party that supported family values back in the '80s but MPs like Cecil Parkinson kept messing up the official party line. In the recent general election I didn't vote for ANY party so I'm definitely not a spokesman for Labour but seeing as our public services are falling to bits I don't see they had much choice about the budget.
There's always a choice, CJ, though you'll no doubt be delighted that so many pensioners are losing their winter fuel allowance as you hate them almost as much as the Tories. No, you mentioned them because you've got a bee in your bonnet about them and use every unconnected opportunity to drag them into the discussion, whatever the topic. You do it on every blog you visit. Has Biffo The Bear got a big nose? Yeah, but what about those bloody Tories, eh? And all politicians present themselves as being for 'family values', whether they actually use that term or not. Harold Wilson, perhaps Labour's most famous Prime Minister, had an affair, which would've been regarded with more disapproval than today had it been known by the public, because of the attitudes of the time. When will you get it through your head - they're mostly all lying, deceitful, dishonest scumbags?!
I only visit three blogs, Kid - yours, Steve Does Comics and Rip Jagger's Dojo so I'm genuinely baffled by your claim that I mention the Tories at "every unconnected opportunity" when I only ever mention them if it's relevant which isn't very often. If you're monitoring my comments so closely I'm surprised you haven't noticed that I've criticised Blair's Labour and Starmer's Labour too on numerous occasions. You accuse me of "dragging politics into it again" but Monty's remark "Talking of a pair of tits, I was watching the budget earlier" is allowed to pass without any criticism even though it's clearly a political comment about an event that happened only yesterday whereas my comment concerned events that happened 40 years ago and wasn't criticising the modern Tory party which has long since abandoned its' claim to be the party of family values. I must repeat that I didn't vote for ANY party in the election but I'd be interested to know what other choices you think the government had in the budget.
Oops. To be fair that is the first time I've mentioned politics and it will certainly be the last. It was meant as a light-hearted comment.
You might visit only 3 blogs now, CJ, but you've visited more than that over the years. Bronze Age Babies, That Was Then, The Peerless Power of Comics, Retro Forteana, and a few others. You hijack the most tenuous connection to have a go at the Tories whenever you can, whether it's relevant or not. Tories and Pensioners, they're your chief obsessions. As for M's remark, he was merely using the opportunity to tie in the word 'tits' with politicians (and they're all tits, whatever their party) and he didn't go on about it the way you do - just a short pithee comment in order to make a joke. And hark - you're still going on about events from 40 years ago, which suggests a certain amount of obsession with the Tories. I never followed the Budget myself, but I could see that it didn't go down too well. And although I'm not partisan, I think it's a disgrace that already overly-well paid workers (train drivers, doctors, etc.,) got huge rises, whereas some of the most vulnerable people in society got money taken away. There'll be no end to threatened strikes in the future, now that the Government has rolled over like a puppy and caved in to Union demands.
Your comment was awaiting my discovery (and publication), M, as I typed out my response to CJ. Speaking for myself, I took your remark completely in the spirit which it was intended. I don't mind people mentioning politics, but CJ tends to batter everyone over the head with his dislike for the Tories. Personally speaking, I don't like any political parties.
Kid, it's rather bizarre that you accuse me of "still going on about events from 40 years ago" when this post is about Gail McKenna, a Page 3 girl from 40 years ago and Crivens itself is a blog dedicated to nostalgia for a period mostly from the '60s and '70s!!
I simply don't recognise your claim that "CJ tends to batter everyone over the head with his dislike for the Tories" but as it annoys you I'll try to mention the Tories as little as possible and criticise Labour equally (which I thought I did anyway). Satisfied?
As for pensioners, I'm pretty sure I promised not to mention pensioners anymore a few years back but as it happens I'm mystified why the government has made such a big deal about scrapping the Winter Fuel Payment when they'll save such a relatively small amount from it. But three million pensioners on Pension Credit will still get the WFP and I think they'll get a 50% increase. Also pensioners not currently receiving Pension Credit are being encouraged to apply for it so isn't that a good thing?
I don't know about train drivers but if junior doctors don't get higher wages they'll go off to places like Australia where the pay is better so how does that help the NHS? In the budget the government mostly raised taxes on the better-off and clamped down on tax avoidance by the rich so what's wrong with that? As far as I know most of the public agrees with such moves and I suspect the criticism is coming from those who'll have to pay more.
You're trying to shift the goalposts, CJ, you naughty boy. A blog about nostalgia is obviously going to cover topics from the past, but such is your hatred of Tories that you not only angrily criticise them now, you're also prepared to go back 40 years to really put the boot in. In short, any excuse to exercise your dislike of them. Me mentioning a comic or toy from the '60s or '70s is hardly comparable. I reminisce from an affectionate and nostalgic standpoint, your obsessed rants spring from hatred of one particular party. You might occasionally criticise politicians from other parties, but you reserve your hostility for the Tory party as an entity. Isn't that being bigoted to reserve your antipathy for just one?
Pensioners are among the most vulnerable members of society and most of them don't have long to go, so taking away their money to give it to better-off people just doesn't seem right to me. And pensioners applying for Pension Credit is only a good thing if they actually get it. Will they?
I'm all for better-off people and the rich paying their taxes, but you're indulging in a contradiction-in-thinking, because aren't they just as likely to up-sticks and move elsewhere - oh, say, like Australia or someplace - and then we won't get any tax or investment at all from them?
Junior doctors knew the pay going in and they're hardly underpaid, so are you saying that giving in to sheer greed is a good thing and should be rewarded? And I'm pretty sure there's probably a limit to just how many Doctors that Australia could accommodate before Ossie docs complained about their jobs being nicked.
Yeah, it's far more complicated than that, but going from news reports on the telly, the public being interviewed don't seem too impressed by the Budget. However, it'll be the same as any Budget - some will win, some will lose - let's just hope it's the right people in either case.
Gillian Duxbury and Joanne Latham ring a bell but I'm more familiar with Corinne Russell, Kathy Lloyd, Maria Whittaker, Linda Lusardi and Suzanne Mizzi, that era. I just read that Suzanne Mizzi died in 2011 aged 43. How utterly tragic. That has really saddened me.
Saddens me as well - I thought she'd yet be out there, still looking lovely. There was another Kathy I liked (Star Bird), but I can't remember her name. Corrine Russell had a brief appearance in Highlander.
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