We can see that the western mags introduced quite a few 'new characters'. For example, The Ringmaster was originally presented in a Captain America comic in the 1940s, but his circus of crime first entered the Marvel Age in Kid Colt, later turning up in Hulk, Spider-Man, Daredevil and Thor.
There are so many characters we think are unique to the Marvel Silver Age of Superheroes, but actually got a try-out somewhere else. For example, did you know that The (Black) Panther started out as a western character in Two-Gun Kid, months before he met The Fantastic Four? Below is the TGK's cover, along with an unpublished one for the FF.
Of course, Dr. Doom, the villain in the iron mask, was the major bad guy in the Fantastic Four, but he was also a western nasty too! And he was the “Monster in the Iron Mask” in Tales of Suspense also!
When Stan wanted to attract and keep older readers, he had many of his teenage characters graduate High School and move on to College, just like his readers were doing. But he started this trend in Patsy and Hedy, who graduated High School in issue #95 in 1964. A little later, The X-Men would, too, and soon Peter Parker also received his diploma. In all three strips this was a big event, but Stan liked to give the appearance of change without really changing anything.
As with Patsy and Hedy, when Peter Parker graduated High School, he wound up in College with basically the same people. What Flash Thompson, on an athletic scholarship, is doing in Peter's science classes, is a mystery. And blonde Liz Allen is 'exchanged' for blonde Gwen Stacy.
My favourite is The X-Men. Professor X was their only teacher in 'High School' and after graduation they stayed on in the same building and he's still their only teacher in what is, effectively, 'College'. As I said, this is not really change, but merely the illusion of change.
And it all started in the Romance mags.
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Thanks once again to Barry, and I'm sure all Criv-ites will join me in hoping that Barry's cat, KIRBY, who has been ill recently, will be back to his normal self soon.
Thanks Barry! Very interesting post. I like to think I'm pretty clued up on Marvel history, but I had no idea that the Ringmaster was a pre-Silver Age character.
ReplyDeleteAnd, as a cat-lover, I hope Kirby gets well soon too.
I'm sure that Barry will appreciate your compliment on his post, and kind thoughts about Kirby, DD.
ReplyDeleteFirst thank you all for your concern about little Kirby. She'll be seeing the doctor tomorrow afternoon and I'll learn a little bit more about this adorable little five-year-old.
ReplyDeleteIt is always a pleasure to see how well the kid puts up anything that I give him. I loveThe photographs he added and the way he laid it out. It looks so much better than what I gave him. And I appreciate the kind comments from Dave. I think i'll work on a new blog showing other rework characters from before the silver age. I happened to be one of them.
And I didn't know the Black Panther and Dr. Doom had earlier incarnations. Yes, get well soon Kirby (interesting name, I wonder where he got that from ?) :)
ReplyDeleteYou're too kind, Barry. After all, you did all the hard work in writing the thing. I want first dibs on that new post, mind.
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See, CJ? You always learn something new on this blog. (At least when Barry writes the post, that is.)
I had no idea that the Ringmaster, Panther, and Dr. Doom had previous incarnations in the Western titles.
ReplyDeleteThe Silver Age is generally thought of as a renaissance for the comic book medium as a whole. Evidently, though, it was really only a revival for the superhero genre, which had been in a slump. Other genres-Westerns, war, romance, comedy-apparently sold well enough through the 1950's and into the 1960's.
IIRC, it was sometime around 1968 that the "split books" (Suspense, Astonish, Strange Tales) ended and those characters all got their own self-titled solo comics, so I assume that's when Marvel got a new distributor, who did not impose limits on how many titles they could publish.
Here's wishing Kirby a speedy recovery.
That's exactly right, TC. Once Marvel were freed from the publishing restrictions, they gave all the character who had shared mags one of their own. Know what 'though? I kinda liked the split mags.
ReplyDeleteAn indication of how important Marvel's romance titles obviously were to them at one point is that, even in the mid to late 60s, they featured work by artists as high profile as Steranko, Gene Colan, John Romita and my all time favourite, John Buscema.
ReplyDeleteTo put that in perspective, imagine if Marvel had had Todd McFarlane and Jim Lee drawing Barbie Fashion and Heathcliff in the late 80s!
You mean they didn't? They missed a trick there, DD!
ReplyDeleteA little late, but I'd like to add my congratulations to Barry for an excellent, informative post. I'be been off line myself for a couple of days, because, believe it or not, one of my cats, also a CUTE 5-year old, has also not been well and I had to take her to the vets. BUT, she is loads better now. She is the absolute LOVE of my life, so, Barry, if you're reading this, I know exactly what you've been going through. They're such a WORRY, aren't they?
ReplyDeleteLove of your life? You'll be making your own tea tonight, JP, if your wife reads that. I'm sure Barry will appreciate your kind thoughts.
ReplyDeleteWhen my daughter brought her partner to meet us, I said, "This is the love of my life, here," pointing towards my cat, "...and you've met the missus, haven't you?"
DeleteSpare room again that night, JP?
ReplyDeleteTwo points and one that I wanted to write a blog about. (I promised Kid a second blog)
ReplyDeleteFirst, Kirby and her sisters Lee, Ditko and Gussie had to see a behaviorist. After years of living together, things became hell here overnight. Really overnight. It is calmer now, (Gussie is on Prozac, really) and no one can figure out why they started tearing everyone apart. Kirby was living in total fear and they thought she might have had a rinary tract infection which triggered all this. . Whew. John I know just how you feel. They are so important to us.
Now I mention this, but I should go longer in a blog. First, Independent News was, as DC was, a subsidiary of National Periodicals and Publications. So was Signet books, home of the U.S’s James bond books!
And Kid is slightly wrong, “…Once Marvel were freed from the publishing restrictions”
How?
Naturally, the people at Indie News wanted more Marvel books, that department made more money the more books Marvel sold. So, when Kinney (Later named Warner Brothers) bought National Periodicals they ALLOWED Marvel to expand. So it was under Independent News that Marvel split up their split books and first expanded! Also, the ten year contract was reaching its end they wanted to maintain their relationship with Marvel. Marvel went from 20 million comics a year to 70.
But Goodman would have none of this. He didn’t want his competition in on his plans. In 1968 he sold the company to Perfect Film and Chemical and when the contract was up with Indie News he used Curtis distributors, owned by Perfect Film.
Glad to hear that Kirby is on the mend and that things seem to be quietening down now, Barry. I think my original statement is accurate 'though, as Marvel did have restrictions placed on them about how many mags they could publish on a monthly basis. So Kinney allowing Marvel to expand was, essentially, to free them from the previous restrictions. See? We're both right.
ReplyDeleteHope Gussie is having no uncomfortable side-effects from the prozac, Barry? It's no surprise to me thar they prescribe it, having 2 cats with behavioral "issues" myself, ( they both had a bad start in life ). Vets will also prescribe clomipramine too, but I wouldn't recommend ever giving THAT to a cat!
DeleteSometimes our house is like a madhouse with our pair, but we kind of learn to live amongst all the mayhem!
Anyway, love your blog too, really must comment more often!
No argument. :)
ReplyDeleteArgue? Moi? Never!
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