Here she is, Crivs - the babe
you've surely all been waiting for...
MARILYN MONROE!
Monday 22 September 2014
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I think I've said this before but I remember somebody claiming that she wouldn't have been famous if she'd remained as Norma Jean Baker rather than changing her name - I think the article was on the psychology of names or some such bullsh*t - I find it hard to believe anyway. She's been dead for 52 years and yet she's still one of the most famous women who's ever lived - that's the kind of fame that today's "here today, gone tomorrow" celebrities can only dream of.
ReplyDeleteShe's probably unknown to younger generations, CJ. If you asked a 17 year old who Marilyn Monroe was, chances are you'd be met with a blank stare. And, sadly, that applies to most stars of yesteryear - kids just don't seem to know who they are. James Cagney? James Stewart? George Raft? Boris Karloff? Ask and the answer you get is "Who?"
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with you on most film stars of the past,Kid, but I think MM is different - I think she's SO famous that most young people have heard of her (admittedly I haven't asked any young people). That reminds me of a time when my mother mentioned Rita Hayworth and she said to me "you won't know who she is" to which I replied that I certainly did know. I felt insulted at being lumped in with the cultural dimwits who don't know anything that's more than 20 years old.
ReplyDeletePeople of a certain age (like you and me) will know who MM is, CJ, and younger people will, eventually learn, at some stage in their lives, who she is - but in their youth, most of them are unlikely to have heard of her. That's because they're unlikely to watch her movies on TV alongside their parents, as it used to be in our day.
ReplyDeleteI'm like that [ " Who? " ] whenever movie stars post - 1990 are given a namecheck!!
ReplyDeleteKid, I think you're underestimating the younger generation. They're not all clueless. My daughter is 19 and certainly knows who Marilyn was, while her best friend ( also 19 )is absolutely obsessed with Monroe. My son ( 15 this week ) is also pretty clued-in on old movies and TV... he's watched more William Hartnell Doctor Who than I have! :-)
ReplyDeleteI'm often the same, JP. John Wayne was a star, but some of today's 'stars' are only celebrities - famous for being famous.
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Ah, but Cer, there are always exceptions - and I suspect that they're in the minority. Also, if your son is a diehard Doctor Who fan (whose dad buys the DVDs) then it's hardly surprising that he knows who William Hartnell is. Most 15 year old boys wouldn't have a clue 'though.
It doesn't just apply to film stars either, Kid. There's a 24 year old in my work who is a comics fan but, when I said that my favourite artist was John Buscema, looked at me blankly and said 'don't know him'.
ReplyDeleteWhat an education that guy is in for if he ever discovers Big John's work!
I reckon we'd both be surprised at how many younger comic fans wouldn't know who Jack Kirby or Steve Ditko were either, DD.
ReplyDeleteI still pronounce Buscema as Bus(like the vehicle)-Kemma. I know it's Boo-semma but John Bus-Kemma is the way I said it when I didn't know any better and it just feels more natural even though it's wrong. I still say Sub-Mareener too.
ReplyDeleteI pronounce it Bueseema, but I understand it's actually meant to be Bussema - or something close to it. (I'm going by the way I heard it on a DVD, but I suppose even Americans pronounce it differently depending on what part of the country they're from.)
ReplyDeleteI always pronounce it bus - Keemer. I pronounce Subby the same as Col J.
ReplyDeleteBUT - am I the only one who pronounces Wolvie " Wolver-eye-ne?
Well, when I first saw the word I thought, " feline, canine, porcine, equine, supine, bovine, WOLVER... "
Anyway, I PREFER my pronunciation!
( I bet you're all laughing at me now! )
Not at all, JP - I actually used to say Wolverine, although I now know it's supposed to be 'Wolvereen'.
ReplyDeleteKid, yours and John's way of saying Wolverine makes perfect sense - it had never even occurred to me before reading this - for some reason I always said Wolvereen from the start. But English words are often inconsistent - look at cough, tough and bough - all pronounced differently. Talking of words ending with "ine" - what is a cat's favourite song ? "You've Lost That Lovin' Feline" - ho, ho.
ReplyDeleteHo ho! I used 'feline fine' in the title of one of my posts a while back. Two great minds. eh?
ReplyDeleteMy favorite part of Sorry I Haven't A Clue is the end bit when they make up silly song or film titles - I'm always trying to think of some of my own. Another couple of cat songs - wherever I Lay My Cat That's My Home and Puss The Dutchie.
ReplyDeleteGreat programme, CJ - as is Just A Minute.
ReplyDeleteTo wait into the Buscema pronunciation debate, I recently listened to an audio interview with Sal Buscema on a Hulk fansite, and the first question the interview asked was 'how do you pronounce your surname?'
ReplyDeleteSal explained that the original Italian pronunciation was 'Boo-sheema', but that his family changed it to 'Byoo-semma'.
That last one seems to suggest an emphasis on the 'u' and the 'e', whereas the way I've heard it said, DD, is flat, with no emphasis anywhere - almost like 'Byusima'. I'm just going to call them John and Sal Smith from now on.
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