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Thursday, 1 May 2014
PART TWO OF KIRBY'S VICTORY...
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As I mentioned in a recent blog post of my own, Dynamite Comics have resurrected both Captain Victory and Silver Star. I haven't read any of them but it would be interesting to know how they've handled it.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to look for that post, Andrew - I don't remember seeing it. (Knowing me 'though, I probably left a comment.) I just never found Kirby's later concepts very interesting - it was as if he was raiding the 'rejects' file. Even when I look at some of the early Marvel stuff nowadays, it's obvious how much Stan Lee's scripting enlivened the strips. If they'd been dialogued by Jack, would they have been considered the classics they were at the time, I wonder?
ReplyDeleteYes, you did leave a comment! It was the post about the Dynamite Shadow reprint - it was only a throwaway remark about other Dynamite titles, though.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion of Kirby's work over the years is very similar to yours. I've got the first 3 Captain Victory issues but I never really got into them. Looking at the pages you've reproduced here, it looks almost like an exaggerated self-parody of the Kirby style!
At the risk of offending diehard Kirby fans by saying the one thing that is unforgivable heresy to them, I agree with you that Jack's success owed more than a bit to Stan Lee. Not just because of the added humour and humanity of the dialogue, but also because of the way Stan de-anonymized Jack and the other artists into real personalities that readers could identify with, via credit boxes and gushing praise in Bullpen Bulletins, letter pages etc.
Your blog is very educational,Kid - I've never even heard of Captain Victory before, I didn't know Kirby had done anything after The Eternals ! That's a good point you make about whether Kirby would have been quite the legend he is without Stan Lee - in my opinion Stan saved superhero comics and without him they would have died in the '60s or limped along as a laughing stock full of dogs in capes and such nonsense.
ReplyDeleteWhat I've always thought, Andrew, is that Kirby's later art looked like a lesser artist was attempting to copy his style, but not quite pulling it off.
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One thing's for sure, Col - Stan was the man who transformed well-drawn comics by Jack and Steve into the classics they came to be regarded as.
While the concepts remained cosmic, the art got worse over time as his physical abilities deteriorated. The writing remained stilted and got goofier. Not Kirby at his peak, just Kirby for those of us who wanted something new by Kirby.
ReplyDeleteHowever, in the last 3 issues he linked Captain Victory into the Fourth World series (without using the actual names, of course). Tragically, while that was re-invigorating, the cartoony art and poor coloring hurt. The final 3 Musketeers Special was an ignoble ending.
An ignoble ending indeed. Such a shame, but at least when he was at his peak, he was nigh untouchable. Even giants diminish over time, alas.
ReplyDeleteAgain thanks for this post. I shall add CV to the same list as New Gods, Eternals, etc. - nice art, shame about the story. I make an exception for Kamandi, though , even though it was a blatant POTA rip - off!
ReplyDeleteNice art at the start, at least - not so much at the end, alas.
ReplyDeleteI ate up Pacific Comics when they appeared: Twisted Tales, Alien Worlds and the Kirby output is consistent with retro theme. That suited me fine because there had grown a certain distance between myself and the preoccupations of DC/Marvel: everything got a bit soapy or worst still, worthy. It was that brief period the in the 80's, the direct sale boom, I think they called it, before the Moore/Gibbons watershed. Of course I've got these somewhere, I haven't read them for ages so my recollection is bit hazy, I do recall some disillusion over production standard but I don't the remember the colouring being quite this bad.
ReplyDeleteA while ago, I read a comment on one of your postings, a guy related his quest for an issue of Marvel's Planet of the Apes. His dedication seemed somewhat to ardent for a second, until I recalled one summer's rail excursions to, what seemed, every bloody comic shop south of Coventry, until I found issue two of Pacific Presents in Park Street, Bristol.
Considering that Pacific Presents featured The Rocketeer by Dave Stevens, your trek to various comics shops is entirely understandable, DSE. I used to do the same thing - regularly - and not always with a specific mag as my object in mind.
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