tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post8098289773824089936..comments2024-03-28T18:40:59.101+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: THE CRUNCH COVER GALLERY - PART THREE...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-86708339700940932432015-01-27T21:18:49.253+00:002015-01-27T21:18:49.253+00:00And, of course, there were the episodes that were ...And, of course, there were the episodes that were just out and out war scenarios. Some of the plots could've been used in Voyage to the bottom of the Sea, even - craft that were called 'ships' in both cases, and firing torpedoes, etc. If ST had come first, no doubt Wagon Train would've been pitched as 'Star Trek in the Old West'. Yup, genres do overlap. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-5610740246814119232015-01-27T19:26:47.076+00:002015-01-27T19:26:47.076+00:00As well as the travelling and the space = the new ...As well as the travelling and the space = the new frontier concept, there were also elements like finding individuals and groups of people in isolation well away from our civilisation, which was also a staple of the western genre. But, yes, western shows were still a big thing at the time, and genres overlap.Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-14797015053775194042015-01-27T16:09:18.734+00:002015-01-27T16:09:18.734+00:00I suppose that nothing's mutually exclusive, T...I suppose that nothing's mutually exclusive, TC, so you can see reflections of all kinds of genres in ST. I always felt 'though, generic similarities aside, that Rodenberry's description of ST as 'Wagon Train in space' (or whatever his exact words were) was, firstly, a superficial comparison to the 'travelling' format of the show, and, secondly, designed to cash in on the popularity of Wagon Train when pitching the concept of ST to studio bosses. After all, WT was a massive ratings winner, so the comparison wouldn't hurt when trying to sell the idea.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-60295262128746297562015-01-27T15:50:20.905+00:002015-01-27T15:50:20.905+00:00I've heard more than one critic point out that...I've heard more than one critic point out that the Star Trek episode "Balance of Terror" was a remake of "The Enemy Below" (a destroyer-vs.-submarine drama set in WWII). I'm sure there were other episodes that borrowed from old westerns and war movies, although not always so obviously. <br /><br />IIRC, there was an episode of the original Battlestar Galactica that was basically a combination of "The Guns of Navarone" and "The Dirty Dozen." <br /><br />And the premise of "Enemy Mine" was suspiciously similar to "Hell in the Pacific." <br /><br />Genres can overlap, so, for example, "Them" and "The Thing from Another World" are both horror movies as well as science fiction movies. And a cavalry-vs.-Indians movie (Fort Apache, A Thunder of Drums, Major Dundee) is both a Western and a war story. (IMHO, anyway.) <br /><br />Harlan Ellison once said that Star Trek was really a "cop show," with Kirk & Co. patrolling the galaxy and defeating villains. That may be an exaggeration, but he may have had a point.<br /><br />-TCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-60608675991948901972015-01-27T12:53:20.844+00:002015-01-27T12:53:20.844+00:00I suspect that 2000 A.D. used the term first, JP. ...I suspect that 2000 A.D. used the term first, JP. Maybe even in their first ish.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-17390426137269714582015-01-27T12:50:16.924+00:002015-01-27T12:50:16.924+00:00Now then, "MAXIMUM THRILL POWER" - who h...Now then, "MAXIMUM THRILL POWER" - who had it first - The Crunch or 2000 AD?John Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-71019643300483513122015-01-26T23:12:14.957+00:002015-01-26T23:12:14.957+00:00Only in the sense of travelling from one planet or...Only in the sense of travelling from one planet or galaxy to another every week, as Wagon Train travelled from one town or settlement to another. But some of the plots fitted right into a basic war scenario, although I suppose that would include a war between Cowboys and Indians. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-80776415349861583612015-01-26T20:11:34.187+00:002015-01-26T20:11:34.187+00:00Now I'd say Star Trek was more of a cowboy sto...Now I'd say Star Trek was more of a cowboy story than a war story. Pitched as "Wagon Train to the stars", space, the final frontier and all that ...Ravennoreply@blogger.com