tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post7788216425066445330..comments2024-03-27T12:09:07.950+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: POST FROM THE PAST: THE TRUE STORY OF BATMAN & ROBIN - (OR: DO YOU STILL BELIEVE IN FAIRY TALES?)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-58504764455469552752021-10-16T20:16:00.207+01:002021-10-16T20:16:00.207+01:00Kane's biggest fault was that he wanted to ste...Kane's biggest fault was that he wanted to steal all the credit for Batman for himself, GP, presenting himself as the main man. To say he was drawing 90% of the strips when he was doing nothing (or next to) is certainly bullsh*tting, as you say. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-53284211526831482722021-10-16T19:39:54.878+01:002021-10-16T19:39:54.878+01:00Kane is one of those guys who IMO were important t...Kane is one of those guys who IMO were important to comics even though to them comics was just a job. Joe Simon was another; I never saw in his solo work the passion of Jack Kirby. Kane, a skilled packager, also knew how to draw upon creative people who had that passion, the main example being Bill Finger. (Not that Finger didn't produce his share of toss-off stories, but you can still find numerous stories in which he showed real investment.) I hadn't heard the "original art trade" story, but it sounds like the act of a practiced bullshitter.Gene Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-67133623090041555162021-10-16T09:25:04.155+01:002021-10-16T09:25:04.155+01:00Kane wrote a lengthy letter to Batmania fanzine in...Kane wrote a lengthy letter to Batmania fanzine in 1965, stating that he still drew 90% of the Batman comics, and denying that he ever used 'ghost artists' during Batman's golden age. This was in response to an article he'd read (possibly before publication) about how much others had actually contributed to the character. Bit of a fantasist was ol' Bob, it seems. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-67083817952530993382021-10-16T04:41:47.106+01:002021-10-16T04:41:47.106+01:00I have to agree with the thread that Terranova47 s...I have to agree with the thread that Terranova47 started. The thing that got me hooked on Batman was the 90s cartoon, which initially took a lot from Neal Adams' run I believe. (All the way up to the shirtless duel with Ra's Al-Ghul) After a season or two there was a change in art style, which brought with it a change in personality to the too-popular 'angry and antisocial' Batman. That carried on into the follow-up Superman and Justice League series. A shame.<br /><br />On the main topic: Bob Kane definitely sounds like he had a touch of the ole Narcissistic Personality Disorder. That comic about the creation of Batman was a bit painful to read.Warren JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743987856127631574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-81142946684433495382021-10-15T20:58:11.083+01:002021-10-15T20:58:11.083+01:00Yeah, as far as I know, it was really down to his ...Yeah, as far as I know, it was really down to his father that he was cut such a sweet deal with DC for so long, which lasted into the '60s if I recall correctly. Had Batman appeared as Kane first envisaged him, before Finger gave him the cowl and bat ears, it's doubtful the character would've made much of an impact.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-15339800353724032022021-10-15T20:48:02.183+01:002021-10-15T20:48:02.183+01:00Thanks for posting - I'd never been aware of t...Thanks for posting - I'd never been aware of that Real Fact Comic. And of course, the excellent artwork in Real Fact was not done by Bob Kane either! (Jim Mooney perhaps). Kane was a shrewd operator from a young age, and created Batman from a selection of existing pulp properties at age 17, along with Bill Finger. So he had a keen idea for what sold, and I understand showed his father (a lawyer) the contract sent to him by National which resulted in his sharing some sort of IP rights, etc.. Unlike Superman's creators who didn't have that sort of legal advice to call on.baggseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01126205345158158957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-24621816045326304792021-10-15T19:59:08.404+01:002021-10-15T19:59:08.404+01:00Yeah, his art took on a sort of 'scribbly'...Yeah, his art took on a sort of 'scribbly' look. Talking of doing more, I thought Carmine Infantino had drawn way more Batman tales than he actually did. One book includes all of his stories and covers.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-38817152708500103012021-10-15T19:08:00.423+01:002021-10-15T19:08:00.423+01:00I thought some of Neal Adams art in his later work...I thought some of Neal Adams art in his later work, especially faces in Batman, Odyssey looked at time like Mort Druckers work in Mad, I think baggsey one of your regular contributors mentioned this as well on my own blog. Amazing he did so few Batman comics I thought he did way more .McSCOTTYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00180091610187270638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-64502668418276117202021-10-15T18:48:54.559+01:002021-10-15T18:48:54.559+01:00Wasn't wild about Marshall Rodgers to be hones...Wasn't wild about Marshall Rodgers to be honest, Triple F, but he was okay I suppose. I remember reviewing Adams' Supermen series on the blog and pointing out the deterioration in his art. I received an anonymous comment (which I didn't publish) saying "Can you do any better?" I should have published it and responded "No, but Adams can - or used to be able to." However, he's getting on in years so it's perhaps a tad unfair to expect him still to be at the top of his game. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-43110109231516083412021-10-15T18:38:42.326+01:002021-10-15T18:38:42.326+01:00Agree with McScotty, Irv Novick, Bob Brown and Jim...Agree with McScotty, Irv Novick, Bob Brown and Jim Aparo were more than acceptable but Adams was King. Marshall Rodgers was amazing and he, Golden and Simonson were fantastic in the late 70's. But..... all roads lead back to Neal. Curiously, as I have mentioned before, he only drew 8 issues of B&B, 8 Detective and 8 Batman! A curious coincidence, though his numerous covers sold me on lesser interiors... but Adams was Adams and 50 years later my opinion has only strengthened. Be careful what you wish for as I dreamed of Neal returning to an avalanche of praise and rapturous acclaim and sadly he had grown older, like Ditko and Kirby and sadly he was a shadow of his former self. Still, 24 masterpieces! Fantastic Four followerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07015903343181388371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-784806904978505662021-10-15T00:23:36.331+01:002021-10-15T00:23:36.331+01:00I also liked Irv Novick's and Dick Dillin'...I also liked Irv Novick's and Dick Dillin's depictions of Batman, McS. I thought they did a good job. Yup, jerks everywhere, creatives and fans of creatives. I've got the UK version of Batman Adventures, but I still haven't read most of them. Going from memory (which is deteriorating) I think there were only 18 issues.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-65801730233919626572021-10-14T23:43:16.169+01:002021-10-14T23:43:16.169+01:00Like FFF my Batman is and always will be Neal Adam...Like FFF my Batman is and always will be Neal Adams version. Saying that I also enjoyed Marshall Rogers version and Jim Aparo's fun romps in Brave and the Bold. In addition (as I await the shrieks of outrage from some comic fans) I enjoyed Frank Robbins art and writing on the character. More recently the Batman Adventures (animated comic) series has had some great stories more akin to the 60s/70s especially Bruce Timms limited run on Batman which was pretty cool.<br /><br />Re Mr Kane he sounds pretty dire but I suspect that a few comic book creators like their fans, might be "jerks".<br /><br />McSCOTTYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00180091610187270638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-79813585385574840632021-10-14T21:58:43.677+01:002021-10-14T21:58:43.677+01:00Ta much, Triple F, will do my best. I've got t...Ta much, Triple F, will do my best. I've got the three-volume set of Neal Adams' Batman and it's a rare treat.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-33580924277674376662021-10-14T20:49:27.456+01:002021-10-14T20:49:27.456+01:00Agree with you regarding the Batman Kid. Quite sim...Agree with you regarding the Batman Kid. Quite simply Neal Adams blew me away with his work in Detective, B&B and Batman.No one before or since, and there have been so many talented people, but no one could touch him! He re-invented the character and if I remember correctly his name would mean any back issue he drew was more expensive than the issues around it and the comic dealers happily typed his name to explain the difference in price and we were happy to pay(well sort of, but you know what I mean). Roughly 1969 to his final issue, the werewolf story in Batman #255 was the greatest period for the character ever! Did I mention I liked them? Think Adams was upset at his original artwork being stolen from DC offices in 1974 otherwise he may have drawn more issues. Our loss as he was at the top of his game. Let's not mention recent years as its kinder not to. Suffice to say Adams 70's Batman are some of the finest comics ever produced. Hope you are keeping well mate and keep up the good work. Fantastic Four followerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07015903343181388371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-36162525614025527142021-10-14T19:50:25.926+01:002021-10-14T19:50:25.926+01:00Don't hold back, Triple F - tell us what you r...Don't hold back, Triple F - tell us what you really think of Neal Adams' Batman. I'm just not sure whether you like him or not. (Now that's what I call irony.) Remember when a comic was an entertaining diversion, and not some social/sexual piece of blatant propaganda? Those were the days.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-68568672295373929922021-10-14T19:32:59.745+01:002021-10-14T19:32:59.745+01:00Agree with you regarding the Batman Kid. Quite sim...Agree with you regarding the Batman Kid. Quite simply Neal Adams blew me away with his work in Detective, B&B and Batman.No one before or since, and there have been so many talented people, but no one could touch him! He re-invented the character and if I remember correctly his name would mean any back issue he drew was more expensive than the issues around it and the comic dealers happily typed his name to explain the difference in price and we were happy to pay(well sort of, but you know what I mean). Roughly 1969 to his final issue, the werewolf story in Batman #255 was the greatest period for the character ever! Did I mention I liked them? Fantastic Four followerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07015903343181388371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-45000816481928961572021-10-14T18:04:18.350+01:002021-10-14T18:04:18.350+01:00I must confess that I much prefer the dark-knight ...I must confess that I much prefer the dark-knight detective Batman of the '70s, T47, with the occasional departures like 'The Secret Of The Waiting Graves' and 'The Demon of Gothos Mansion'. Psycho Batman does nothing for me. And they wonder why comic sales are declining, eh?Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-59192074039739327032021-10-14T16:27:07.105+01:002021-10-14T16:27:07.105+01:00Thank you for publishing this Kid. If I had known ...Thank you for publishing this Kid. If I had known this when I was a kid in the 50's and first read Batman it would have turned me right off the character.<br /><br />Back then Batman was a detective and fit the Detective genre rather than the now superhero category. The early cross over Batman/Superman stories were a delight quite unlike the recent movie crossover stories.<br /><br />I don't feel The Batman has evolved too well, from Detective to Psycho isn't as entertaining.Terranova47https://www.blogger.com/profile/12417687209201322523noreply@blogger.com