tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post7462381104551252798..comments2024-03-28T18:40:59.101+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: A POINT OF VIEW...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-5772054961274067852019-05-27T02:20:06.183+01:002019-05-27T02:20:06.183+01:00Here's a strange thing. CJ deleted his own com...Here's a strange thing. CJ deleted his own comment if I recall correctly, but it now says that it was removed by a blog administrator. However, no one else has access to my blog as far as I know (not talking about reading it, I mean altering it), so I can only assume that it means a Blogger administrator. Anyway, I've now removed the empty comment so as to avoid confusion. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-75475470528171655542014-03-25T10:50:03.564+00:002014-03-25T10:50:03.564+00:00Thanks for your comment, Baab. It's interestin...Thanks for your comment, Baab. It's interesting what you say, because there are vocal groups and individuals in political circles who are calling for the age of consent to be lowered to at least 13. Naturally, they're all adults - I don't see any 13 year olds calling for such a change.<br /><br />One thing I want to reiterate, is that this wasn't so much a comment on homosexuality as it was on the smug, patronising, contemptuous attitude held by many of its proponents. According to them, anyone who has reservations about such alternative lifestyles is an unenlightened, backward, ignorant, bigoted 'homophobe', whose views should be completely disregarded. Consequently, many people are then afraid to express their view on the matter for fear of being regarded as some kind of intellectual retard, and pilloried or vilified for holding (never mind expressing) such views. It's the bullying, swaggering attitude of those determined to make society cater to their ways which I object to more than anything.<br /><br />Right - back to the 'good stuff'.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-5296987589407187142014-03-25T06:41:15.880+00:002014-03-25T06:41:15.880+00:00I have waited to comment on this post because I di...I have waited to comment on this post because I did not want to be misunderstood.<br />I agree with your last comment Kid.<br /><br />I listen to a lot of comedy audio,mainly from the fifties, sixties and seventies.<br />Granted there were a lot of stereotypes,but these were not just stereotypes of gay men. Bigots were stereotyped also.<br /><br />Round the Horne featured Kenneth Williams and the palari (I think thats right) in the Julian and Sandy sketches.<br />There are many others we could list,John Inman and Frankie Howerd.<br />Who could forget that catchphrase "Shut that door!"Larry Grayson presented the Saturday night slot for years.<br /><br />Growing up I felt as if there was a live and let live attitude and it would have become more relaxed through time.<br /><br />There is an agenda at play and the next step(of many) is to be tolerant of paedophiles.<br />I know this because I used to work for Social Work around about ten or so years ago.<br />And I noticed that social values were being filtered through government employees.<br /><br />The last few training sessions,or 'indoctrination' was based on 'Understanding the Paedophile'.<br />I was pretty vocal in my opinion and when I decided to leave shortly after I sensed a bit of relief on behalf of my managers.<br /><br />I must share with you an ironic incident that happened during one training session.<br />One woman who lived in a different town commented on the high amount of known paedophiles in the area we were based in.<br />She said,"Im glad I don't live here'.<br />I replied,"Thats what they are saying in the social work department where you live'.<br /><br />Live and let live is good enough for me.<br /><br />Can we get back to the reminiscing Kid.<br />The good stuff.baabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07388667792167744260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-81867980628138224002014-03-23T21:36:28.443+00:002014-03-23T21:36:28.443+00:00The live and let live approach we already had, Moo...The live and let live approach we already had, Moony. However, seems that's not enough for some people unless we also agree to let them set the agenda. The words 'mums' and 'dads' removed from NHS handbooks on childbirth because gay couples don't like it? Madness. Of course, we're not allowed to say so because that makes us 'bigoted'. I could crush a grape.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8380859450711911152014-03-23T21:15:39.464+00:002014-03-23T21:15:39.464+00:00So,are you up for that shooting weekend next month...So,are you up for that shooting weekend next month with our old pal Vladimir,Kid. Weather should be a bit warmer,so should be ok for a bit of bareback riding. Lol<br />Seriously though,perhaps everyone could agree to having a bit more of a live and let live approach to life.<br />We are not all extremists simply because we have a different viewpoint.Just simply people with a different viewpoint.It is still possible to love and respect one another,but still have a different point of view to them.moonmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01426512355313104656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-51412716615880404942014-03-22T23:55:24.362+00:002014-03-22T23:55:24.362+00:00Oops! That was meant to be 'religiophobe' ...Oops! That was meant to be 'religiophobe' in my last response.<br /><br />Like you, McScotty, I feel awkward seeing men kissing, either in real life or on TV. I simply couldn't watch Torchwood because of the gay agenda it was attempting to propagate. However, I even cringe when I see straight couples indulging in 'heavy petting' in public places. Some things are 'unseemly' and people behaving like animals on heat is one of them - men kissing is another. I agree with you about music videos, but I'd say it works both ways - those designed for a female audience are also indulging in that game.<br /><br />I just think society, despite its many past failings, at least once aspired to be better than it was; now, however, it's an anything goes scenario and there doesn't seem to be a recognised concept of what's right and wrong anymore. It's difficult for parents to bring their kids up with traditional values when those values are under siege from different groups determined to undermine them. I often see young teenage girls snogging the faces off one another in public displays of 'mock' lesbianism, no doubt because of what they've seen on Coronation Street or Emmerdale on TV the night before. What's insulting is when these programmes try to justify their gratuitous titillation by having a voiceover at the end saying "If you've been affected by any of the issues in tonight's programme, etc...."<br /><br />There has been a concerted attempt by some groups over the years to erode the fabric of society (to use a cliche) and supplant it with their own vision of how they want the world to be. Calls for the legalisation of drugs, prostitution, lowering of the age of consent, etc. It will not make society a better place, only an easier one for certain groups to exploit for their own ends.<br /><br />"Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another" said Madonna, obviously speaking about consenting adults. The Gay Brigade had already achieved their main objective, it seems to me. They were no longer prosecuted or persecuted (in the main) for their lifestyles, but it seems that wasn't enough for them. They had to make the rest of society bend the knee and kiss its...er, let's go for 'hand', and dance to the tune of its wishes and whims.<br /><br />The weight of centuries regards such behaviour as outside the norm, but in our desire to be all encompassing to all aspects of society, we have put traditional values at risk. People are entitled to think what they like of course, but that doesn't make what some people think right. For gays to feel 'good' about themselves shouldn't require the rest of society to feel good about them too, but we're slowly but surely being herded in that direction.<br /><br />Simply put, some things were taboo for a reason and I for one don't see society being a better place for the disintigration or forced removal of those taboos.<br /><br />On a lighter note, lesbianism is okay when indulged in by fit burds who look like page 3 models, but not by women who look like Jo Brand or Ann Widdecombe. Then it's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-4116903444559471662014-03-22T20:02:17.278+00:002014-03-22T20:02:17.278+00:00You will always get people who pray on those weake...You will always get people who pray on those weaker , more susceptible or unsure of themselves, sadly that happens in all aspects of life . I can't see once gay marriage etc becomes the "norm" that schools will be saying to kids you can choose your partners sex like a smorgasbord of sexual options - if they did that ok I see your point 100% . Young folk annoy the bejeebers out of me (Im a kranky old git) , but they're not stupid they will make the right decisions for themselves (whilst protecting the vulnerable, as you rightly note) <br /><br />There's no doubt about it, its an awkward time for people who hold opposing views (not the manic ones) and Im not going to be a hypocrite I do find it "awkward" seeing 2 men kissing in public but its time to move on and we can do that and respect others valid viewpoints that have issues with these changes but both sides need to change a bit. I agree 100% parents have the right to ensure their kids are brought up the way THEY want them and to me they way to do that is to parent, talk to your kids on this and other issues. Kids cannot be hidden form the "influence" of mainstream culture in today's society, but like Colin I think there's more of an issue with borderline porn music videos showing young women as sex objects and in racism etc. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11166190927603182073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-18793349548323731542014-03-22T19:08:17.623+00:002014-03-22T19:08:17.623+00:00I'd politely take issue with you about 'ra...I'd politely take issue with you about 'ranting', Col. Your comment actually falls more into that category than anything I've said. Sexual responses CAN be 'learnt': no one is born a sado-masochist or with a fetish for wellington boots or dressing up as a baby.<br /><br />Further, many ('though not all) abused people become abusers (which doesn't excuse it, but helps explain it), clearly because their sexual responses have been shaped and influenced by their experience. Unless you're seriously telling me that EVERY single abused person who DOES become an abuser would have been so anyway even if they hadn't been abused, which is clearly unlikely. And once again, I should point out that I mention that merely to demonstrate sexual responses can be learnt - not to compare acts between consenting adult couples with those of paedophiles. <br /><br />As for the word 'homophobe', it is an invented word created merely to deflect criticism by those who insist in trying to reshape society in their image. Did you know that lesbian couples demanded the removal of the words 'mum' and 'dad' from an NHS book on childbirth because they claimed it made them feel excluded? So far 'though, no one has invented the word 'heterophobe' to describe them.<br /><br />And you've roped in a whole load of subjects which aren't directly linked to the topic under discussion. And you'll find that I made no mention of the Bible or religion in my response to McScotty. Know why? It's not just religious people who object to the way society is going, so your rant (I can call it nothing else) against them is really neither here nor there. You've clearly got issues with religion - does that make you a 'religiophope'?<br /><br />But thanks for commenting anyway. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-55399112203954147432014-03-22T15:21:34.597+00:002014-03-22T15:21:34.597+00:00It sounds pretty straightforward when put like tha...It sounds pretty straightforward when put like that, McScotty, but I feel distinctly uneasy about repercussions on society as a whole if it becomes a 'normal' part of the culture. If homosexuality is presented as being 'natural' and nothing out of the ordinary, youngsters, who are more easily influenced and susceptible, will be more inclined (or pressured) into experimentation, and - even if some decide it's not for them - others may be drawn into that lifestyle. No big deal if you think nothing's wrong with being gay, but it is for those who do. And sexual behaviour and responses can be learned, it's not as simple as people being just born that way. I'm glad I'm not a parent because the odds are stacked against those who may be prepared to tolerate homosexuality, but don't want their kids exposed to its influence in mainstream culture. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-59059984360652025382014-03-22T10:45:32.424+00:002014-03-22T10:45:32.424+00:00I am pretty dumb on this issue I think as I (serio...I am pretty dumb on this issue I think as I (seriously) do not understand is what is it that gays wants AND certain other groups object to them getting re what is called "marriage";<br /><br />Marriage is "only" a socially recognised union between 2 people (albeit traditionally a man and a woman) which also has a legal contract aspect to it - so as I assume most people have no issues with gay people having a civil partnership (a new form of socially recognised union) then it would seem to me the objection is in the legal recognition and benefits that the term "marriage" brings - surely if that's jut a legal issue then gay couple could have that ( the law can be changed) the social aspect of marriage between a man and a woman can surely isn't diluted is it?<br /><br />Where I do see an issue is for people of religious beliefs not agreeing to a gay couple standing in a Church and exchanging vows ( ie a "Church marriage") Firstly although I believe there is something more to what we have here I'm not "Churchy" but I do have sympathy with their viewpoint.If as it does say in the Bible that 2 men should not be together (regardless of your views on this - there's lots of strange stuff in that book , lots of lovely stuff as well) I would stand up for that viewpoint.<br /><br />Personally I have no issues with gay people I feel they (and everyone ...legally) deserves to be happy , find love and treat their partner with respect and compassion and enjoy the few years we have on this planet whether that be being on their on their own , with a member of the opposite sex or the same sex. Obviously some people will be against this, but as you state in your post as long as they are not offensive, abusive etc then they have the right to hold that view and I agree those who do not share that viewpoint should not rubbish those who are uncomfortable with same sex partnerships either.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11166190927603182073noreply@blogger.com