tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post2291231548950924412..comments2024-03-28T18:40:59.101+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: LIGHTNING STRIKES ONCE...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-47476133442937560652015-04-13T12:26:43.716+01:002015-04-13T12:26:43.716+01:00You mean, surely, that after standing up for mysel...You mean, surely, that after standing up for myself in previous posts I'm now expressing my opinion on his most well-known character. The fact that Mr. Isabella's most well-known character is a third-rate one is hardly my doing.<br /><br />And how does someone who knows a big word like 'denigrating' not know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'?<br /><br />Normally, I don't publish comments from people who are too cowardly to identify themselves, but this time I made an exception. Keep taking the medicine. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-11875202003348711322015-04-13T10:42:07.594+01:002015-04-13T10:42:07.594+01:00Not content with hammering Isabella in previous po...Not content with hammering Isabella in previous posts your now denigrating his most well known character. Your such a bully Kid. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-39740564261958643422015-04-12T16:33:22.703+01:002015-04-12T16:33:22.703+01:00I just recently discovered that BL's mask had ...I just recently discovered that BL's mask had an attached afro wig, DSE, which he donned when he went into action. That alone makes the character ridiculous in my estimation. It wasn't something the artist was too impressed with either. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-34886474475232733002015-04-12T16:10:04.517+01:002015-04-12T16:10:04.517+01:00I kinda remember Black Lightning, it's a bit h...I kinda remember Black Lightning, it's a bit hazy though, my interest in US publications was on the wane at the time I encountered him. I regard him as an iteration in DC's effort in habituating black characters which would make his original form, which If I recall correctly was a bit Shaft with fancy panjams, necessarily dated. Cyborg comes along a few years later, with that iteration, things have moved along quite a bit, they don't have to massage sensibilities quite so vigorously, so we get something a little more mature. In fact, I remember Cyborg being quite gritty, I'll havta dig him out again.DeadSpiderEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687178085803686186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-48740513080587703322015-04-12T00:53:58.001+01:002015-04-12T00:53:58.001+01:00Actually, we DO, CJ. Stan Lee says he came up with...Actually, we DO, CJ. Stan Lee says he came up with the idea for each of the characters you mention, Jack Kirby claimed it was him. However, in the case of Thor, it was Larry Lieber (Stan's brother) who scripted Thor, and he says he wrote full scripts (he came up with the names Don Blake and Uru). That casts doubt on Jack's claim to have taken the idea of Thor to Stan fully formed.<br /><br />(Or were you being ironic?) Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-44656886935925708882015-04-12T00:45:54.457+01:002015-04-12T00:45:54.457+01:00Kid, I'd never even heard of Black Lightning t...Kid, I'd never even heard of Black Lightning till you mentioned him a couple of days ago but that's because he was DC - I'm clueless about DC characters (except the really famous ones of course). Most superheroes must have been created by more than one person but we never seem to hear any arguments over who created Thor or the Hulk or the X-Men etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-21046633677985493512015-04-11T12:56:49.730+01:002015-04-11T12:56:49.730+01:00Indeed, JP - let's not forget.
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He'...Indeed, JP - let's not forget.<br /><br />******<br /><br />He's quite clear that he sees himself as the sole creator of BL, DSE. He says he described the costume to TVE, and then others suggested revisions. However, that's pretty much what happened in the case of Siegel & Shuster. So Siegel created all the essentials of Superman, but they were both described as 'the creators of Superman' because it was the finished result (published comic) that was regarded as the 'product', not the idea alone. In the exact same way, TI & TVE are 'the creators of BL' - as the comic buying public first saw him.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-38250850107960456802015-04-11T12:39:52.804+01:002015-04-11T12:39:52.804+01:00Obviously I'm aware of a context for this ques...Obviously I'm aware of a context for this question, that aside it's an interesting subject, which could probably prompt a comments section a mile long. Collaborative creative effort, is something that is replete with false attribution and overlooked contribution. In this instance though, I'm willing to accept the received wisdom on the subject, which I think probably justly reflects the effort Isabella put into the character. Of course you could always ask him, something like: 'Hey Tony -- me old mate, what's the gen on the creation of Black Lightning?' I think it might prompt some -- er controversy though. Joking aside, it would great to get his candid account, unfortunately candour is rare in such instances because the of the need to protect reputation and associated rights. Those needs are something I have a certain sympathy for, they put bread on the table.<br />DeadSpiderEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687178085803686186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8739425637319805572015-04-11T12:38:16.622+01:002015-04-11T12:38:16.622+01:00And let's not forget George Tuska as the equal...And let's not forget George Tuska as the equally as important co-creator of Black Goliath, or the much better-named Goliath [ Mk. III ]John Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-46979204685990207502015-04-11T11:26:55.286+01:002015-04-11T11:26:55.286+01:00Steve Ditko does admit (the last time I looked) th...Steve Ditko does admit (the last time I looked) that Stan took more of a hand in the early issues, and suggested the plots, etc., although Steve would've added his own bits, which was par for the 'Marvel method'. And Stan admits that, later, Steve plotted the books. However, TVE can be considered the co-creator of BL in the same way that Joe Suster is of Superman - even 'though the idea was thought up by someone else.<br /><br />******<br /><br />...and T***** V** E****, Anon. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-68977896406411155852015-04-11T08:51:39.261+01:002015-04-11T08:51:39.261+01:00He he you scallywag Kid. Black Lightning was creat...He he you scallywag Kid. Black Lightning was created by T*** I*******. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8475144872780401132015-04-11T05:12:34.392+01:002015-04-11T05:12:34.392+01:00I never liked the Black part of Black Lightning be...I never liked the Black part of Black Lightning because hie lightning wasn't black.<br />However, much like Spidey, unless the design was described by the writer, then it's fair to say the look was created by Von Eeden. The difference is that Ditko was definitely writer of many of the early Spider-Man stories. DC artists usually worked on a script this the contribution of the artist was far less.<br />However....by the time Black Lightning was created I don't know how much of the so called Marvel method was being used at DC.<br />Philnoreply@blogger.com