tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post7686757240295057941..comments2024-03-28T18:40:59.101+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: DOOMED DANDY NOT DEAD YET - ONE ISSUE TO GO...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-68080032118608560152012-12-04T12:30:49.957+00:002012-12-04T12:30:49.957+00:00Ah, so they DO know his correct name. It wasn'...Ah, so they DO know his correct name. It wasn't quite clear that he was the 'new' editor. Ta.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-90995280245450640322012-12-04T12:14:28.556+00:002012-12-04T12:14:28.556+00:00Craig Ferguson is the editor of the new digital Da...Craig Ferguson is the editor of the new digital Dandy, Craig Graham was the editor of the print one.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-14242792478761793042012-12-04T00:07:23.258+00:002012-12-04T00:07:23.258+00:00On an interesting note, The Sunday Post ran an art...On an interesting note, The Sunday Post ran an article about The Dandy in which they interviewed the editor, Craig Graham. (Although they called him Craig Ferguson for some strange reason. Don't DCT even know his correct name?) This is part of what he said on the subject of political correctness:<br /><br />"...some things that were once acceptable aren't now. The Dandy had a cartoon called the Jocks and the Geordies which was about Scots and Geordies getting into loads of fights! We wouldn't run that now."<br /><br />However, the 2013 Annual has a couple of Jocks and Geordies strips where they end up fighting. Doesn't he even know the contents of his own title's Annual for which he wrote the introduction? And to think DCT have made him editor of The Beano.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-88319300347158213902012-12-03T23:49:01.134+00:002012-12-03T23:49:01.134+00:00To Anonymous,
I don't think, In years to come...To Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't think, In years to come, people will regard some of these pretenders as great Dandy Artists. And If the content was that good I think the Dandy would still be around.<br /><br />DC Thompson must have been either desperate or knew what was going to happen if they gave 'Smarty pants' design control.<br /><br />To basically give a person free range to bastardize a publication in such a way was suicidal.<br /><br />I was a supporter of the new Dandy but after a while, like many folks, I realized it wasn't up to scratch.<br /><br />I wouldn't give the comic to my kids, they'd rather read my old collection.<br /><br />The sales don't lie.<br /><br />If the content was good there would be a buzz, and other sections of the media would pick up on it straight away. That alone would help sales and encourage newsagents and retailers to stock it.<br /><br />It may be a class thing too. Many comics had working class roots.<br />I remember growing up in the seventies, the middle class kids would read 'Look and Learn' while working class kids just read fun comics.<br /><br />Were DC Thompson trying to aim the publication at 'trendy', 'right-on', middle class kids with a simpler, 'creative' style that Jemima and Daniel would like?<br /><br />Maybe we'll find out one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-61680148499434060232012-12-03T23:45:02.455+00:002012-12-03T23:45:02.455+00:00'Anon 3', assuming for the moment that you...'Anon 3', assuming for the moment that you ARE actually a different anonymous and not the same anonymous simply lending support to yourself - even if it was a 'fair question' the first time he asked, it's been quite comprehensively answered by both McScotty and myself. Various blogs abound with people denying that the content was anything to do with The Dandy's demise, so if he's genuinely unaware of it, he shouldn't be commenting on something he hasn't even done the groundwork on. However, nobody can be so perpetually stupid as to ignore the answers to a question and keep repeating it, so he's obviously 'at it'.<br /><br />******<br /><br />Yes, McScotty, a great shame. I just bought the 2013 Annual tonight (£3 at Sainsbury's) and I'm getting up at the crack of dawn tomorrow to buy a couple of copies of the last issue. Maybe I'll wear a black armband. As for what happened - dunno. You don't think it could have been something to do with the content, do you? Nah! Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-32445137933275688812012-12-03T23:16:27.499+00:002012-12-03T23:16:27.499+00:00I thought he was asking a fair question myself.I thought he was asking a fair question myself.Anon 3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-80505710179714080182012-12-03T22:56:25.994+00:002012-12-03T22:56:25.994+00:00Sigh! Anyway sad news about the Dandy going burst ...Sigh! Anyway sad news about the Dandy going burst isn't it? I wonder what happened :0) - McScottyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-55867601070284944682012-12-03T22:10:12.475+00:002012-12-03T22:10:12.475+00:00Yes, you're on a 'wind-up' - what a pi...Yes, you're on a 'wind-up' - what a pillock! I don't think you even know whether you're asking what you think you're asking. My answer to your 'question' is also clear. Shame you don't seem able or willing to comprehend it.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-61401386532572695802012-12-03T22:01:54.373+00:002012-12-03T22:01:54.373+00:00I thought my question was clear: where is the evid...I thought my question was clear: where is the evidence if people saying content had NOthing to do with falling sales? If you have no evidence why have you brought it up time and time over the last 2 years? Did you make it up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-72045848911435384522012-12-03T22:01:02.262+00:002012-12-03T22:01:02.262+00:00Anonymous, I'm not about to compensate for you...Anonymous, I'm not about to compensate for your laziness in looking for or at the evidence yourself, which is there for all to see. In fact, I don't see how you can have read any other posts on the subject and failed to miss examples of people who disagree with me denying that content had anything to do with the Dandy's situation. You being ignorant of the evidence (or ignoring it) is not the same as there being none.<br /><br />What you seem to be saying is that no one has claimed that The Dandy's declining sales didn't have anything to do with the content. If that's true, then the suggestion is that no one (including yourself) disputes my claim and that it is therefore true.<br /><br />Consequently, it's a bit unclear which view you actually take on the matter.<br /><br />As for evidence for a COUPLE of artists being egotistical, there's PLENTY. Firstly, denying even the possibility that their work was at least part of the problem; secondly, declaring what a brilliant job they think they've done despite complaints to the contrary; thirdly, being so incensed that anyone would dare to criticize their work that they'd engage in a back and forth debate in an attempt to browbeat someone into changing their mind, etc. Anyone who can't tolerate criticism without resorting to some of the comments they've come out with certainly isn't short of ego.<br /><br />I think I see the problem. You're in your own little world which 'the obvious' can't penetrate, aren't you? Either that, or you're on a 'wind-up'. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-69269458181425262082012-12-03T21:35:01.480+00:002012-12-03T21:35:01.480+00:00It's kid who said they were egotistical. No ev...It's kid who said they were egotistical. No evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-59717974280978560222012-12-03T21:06:48.390+00:002012-12-03T21:06:48.390+00:00It may be a "fallacy" and a "false ...It may be a "fallacy" and a "false argument" from your perspective as you obviously have not read the blogs concerned. I was going to trawl through them for you but I've got more to do with my time - (I ve noted the most obvious one below from the (very good imho) Jamie Smarts blog as it is the easiest to track down) if you actually want to read the comment then log into "Down the Tubes", "Comics UK" etc etc and check it out for yourself (it is out there and to be fair so is the opposite end of that argument) Again I have no issue with these comments as such as people have every right to feel proud of their work (and as I again clearly stated some of the work in the Dandy was IMHO very good). My issue was only that the content was IMHO a major part of the fall of the Dandy and that a LOT of people thought otherwise - I simply stated the facts that based on the evidence from some creators and fans (in their and other blogs) that their feeling was that the content was pretty darn good and was not a major issue re the end of the Dandy. At no point have I EVER said any artist was egotistical so no idea where you got that from. <br /><br />"We believe we have delivered real quality comics, and that The Dandy has been a shining light ......" from Jamies blog.<br /><br /><br />McScottyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-52839662186596511232012-12-03T20:25:26.314+00:002012-12-03T20:25:26.314+00:00No. I asked for your evidence of people saying con...No. I asked for your evidence of people saying content had nothing to do with falling sales. Did any blog ACTUALLY say that and if so where or is it a false argument? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-91036691057242304572012-12-03T19:48:16.384+00:002012-12-03T19:48:16.384+00:00See, that's the trouble when people don't ...See, that's the trouble when people don't take the time to think about what they've read before commenting. First of all, as far as I'm aware, no one has said that ALL Dandy artists are egotistical.<br /><br />Secondly, other people on other blogs (and also on other posts on this one) have categorically stated that they don't think the content was responsible for losing sales. So, your comment is just a tad redundant I'm afraid.<br /><br />As for evidence: The Dandy is relaunched in a blaze of publicity and actually increases sales as a result. Within a short time it not only loses its new readers, but also half of its old ones. Pretty indicative, I'd say - even allowing for other factors.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-48763623201733128492012-12-03T19:28:50.499+00:002012-12-03T19:28:50.499+00:00The claim that other blogs say content had nothing...The claim that other blogs say content had nothing to do with the dandy losing sales is a fallacy as far as I can see. It's a false argument, as is the claim that dandy artists are all egotistical. Unless you can prove otherwise with evidence??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-4886257868667462202012-12-03T18:15:36.334+00:002012-12-03T18:15:36.334+00:00I guess that's what's called an unabashed ...I guess that's what's called an unabashed plug. Maybe I should charge for advertising? Also, I think you'll find that George is still a teenager, not yet 18.<br /><br />(Might have at least taken the trouble to say something nice about my blog. Flattery is usually a nice bribe.)Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-64818683496016256892012-12-03T16:26:32.582+00:002012-12-03T16:26:32.582+00:00George Shiers is the man when it comes to blogs ab...George Shiers is the man when it comes to blogs about British comics. His blog just can't be beaten. Here he presents us with exclusive news about the digital Dandy. <br />http://www.wackycomics.com/2012/12/more-information-about-digital-dandy.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-38947634441077449962012-12-02T20:35:08.451+00:002012-12-02T20:35:08.451+00:00Says the anonymous man who's compelled to give...Says the anonymous man who's compelled to give me a piece of his mind. (Trust me, bud - you can't spare it.) Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-42877312502641159172012-12-02T17:47:51.036+00:002012-12-02T17:47:51.036+00:00Compelled, says the man who'se been slagging o...Compelled, says the man who'se been slagging off a kids comic for two years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-3751624934824007452012-12-02T12:17:18.561+00:002012-12-02T12:17:18.561+00:00That's what I call a statement of the bleedin&...That's what I call a statement of the bleedin' obvious! I think you'll find 'though, that the reason why most people don't comment is simply because they don't know this blog exists.<br /><br />However, out of those who do, the ones who DISagree usually feel more compelled to tell me than those who agree. The latter don't take it as personally. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-41458295717695194272012-12-02T09:51:20.464+00:002012-12-02T09:51:20.464+00:00...or because they simply don't agree with you......or because they simply don't agree with you? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-19799029529773456272012-12-02T05:11:40.586+00:002012-12-02T05:11:40.586+00:00McScotty, this is par for the course I'm afrai...McScotty, this is par for the course I'm afraid. Some people appear to have difficulty accepting the fact that others might agree, either in full or in part, with my views on this particular subject. For some reason they seem to see it as a personal insult - and are provoked into trying to dismiss my opinion by the most ridiculous means possible.<br /><br />They then seek to deter anyone who might hold a similar view to myself from commenting on the topic, by insinuating that do do so is to participate in a 'vendetta' being conducted by an aggressive, enraged, histrionic, paranoid, bitter, unbalanced individual with an axe to grind. (As opposed to an ordinary bloke commenting on a matter of interest on his blog about comics.) Note that all these pejorative descriptions are the very ones used by my detractors, who claim that they are being 'civil' and that I'M the one indulging in personal insults. (When, in fact, all I've done is comment on some pages of art.) <br /><br />Obviously, most people wouldn't want to be perceived in the same light and would perhaps think twice about admitting to thinking as I do. You can bet there are loads of folks who haven't (and won't) add their voices to the discussion, simply because of all the negative attention and personal insults it might bring them - ironically from the very people who claim to be 'tolerant' and 'accepting' of other people's viewpoints.<br /><br />You gotta laugh.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-24575095593610508672012-12-02T05:11:15.282+00:002012-12-02T05:11:15.282+00:00Re the comment on "who says content had nothi...Re the comment on "who says content had nothing to do with the Dandy's demise" (or similar words) - errr seriously? I can name at least 3 main comic blogs with artists, fans and creators have stated that they are so proud of what they have done and the great work ( ie content) they all put into to the comic (and to be fair some did some good work, which I and others have stated) - I also (in brackets) CLEARLY stated there were other issues at force in the demise of the Dandy (but that imho these were not as major as the content). Still it seems to be that some (not all) folk think all was hunky dory except for distribution - maybe valid maybe not - the end result the Dandy is sadly kaput now please dont make me do "brackets" again please ! =McScottyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-84307533642476560992012-12-02T05:09:54.897+00:002012-12-02T05:09:54.897+00:00Don't be shy - you mean by the distortion and ...Don't be shy - you mean by the distortion and misapplication of logic which you seek to impose on my words, don't you? One's thing's for sure. Twice as many people thought better of it than they thought of the relaunch, that much is obvious.<br /><br />However, I have stated before that, in just the same way that a strip being popular is not necessarily evidence of it being 'good', NOT being popular does not necessarily prove it is 'bad'. (See how fair-minded I am?) Other criteria must therefore be applied, in conjunction with a consideration of the circumstances.<br /><br />Normally, if other, GENERAL, factors (which apply to all periodicals) are responsible for a comic's decline, the process is much more gradual. However, The Dandy's sudden death-dive after its much publicised relaunch - which initially increased its readership (to the triumphant exaltation of those involved) - seems to indicate that some other element was at work. <br /><br />Remember, not only did the comic (relatively) rapidly lose its new readers, it also lost half of the old ones. This unprecedented occurrence can't really be accounted for (in the main) by the other aspects that normally apply, and which some people have sought to use as an excuse for the comic's sudden plummet towards oblivion.<br /><br />Therefore, the most likely and obvious cause is that readers simply didn't like it. The content was therefore to blame - regardless of whether it DESERVED to be blamed or not. However, in MY considered opinion, SOME strips were so awful that the conclusion is inescapable that they let the side down and were instrumental in turning the tide of public opinion against the once-popular publication.<br /><br />My opinion is based on no mere whim, but the application of a set of criteria designed to determine whether a strip meets certain drawing and storytelling standards which equip it for its task; some strips didn't measure up, and - in the relaunched Dandy's SPECIFIC and UNIQUE circumstances which no other factors satisfactorily account for - it's this aspect which seems to have been mainly responsible for driving so many readers away in droves. I think you'll also find that this was the consensus of public opinion on the internet at the time, so I'm hardly in a minority on the matter.<br /><br />I hope that helps you understand the context in which I formed my conclusions.<br /><br />Incidentally, I've never denied that the comic was in a state of decline anyway, and that possibly nothing may have been able to save it. However, I just think that the relaunch accelerated the process and hastened it to its doom.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-92113848500841866832012-12-01T20:58:17.424+00:002012-12-01T20:58:17.424+00:00So by your logic then, Dandy Xtreme was twice as g...So by your logic then, Dandy Xtreme was twice as good quality? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com