tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post5859362793607868823..comments2024-03-28T16:55:49.068+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: IS THE ISSUE OF 'DIVERSITY' IN COMICBOOKS AND THE MEDIA AS BLACK AND WHITE AS IT'S PAINTED?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-75134231491176323182015-03-22T13:33:18.063+00:002015-03-22T13:33:18.063+00:00Most of them are missing the point anyway, JP. If ...Most of them are missing the point anyway, JP. If colour isn't an issue, then it shouldn't matter whether most superheroes are white (or whatever colour they happen to be). However, when people start saying that comics should have more blacks, Asians or whatever, then they're making skin colour an issue - as well as revealing a bias against whites. After all, implying that there are too many whites is surely racist, isn't it? If someone were to say that there were too many blacks in Shaft or The Cosby Show, they's be accused of racism, so it's the same thing in reverse, no? Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-63895004856582908502015-03-22T13:03:23.453+00:002015-03-22T13:03:23.453+00:00Hey, it would appear that "little old me"...Hey, it would appear that "little old me" DID indeed offend one ( predictably Anonymous ) reader. Wonder if it's "Jack"?<br />I've tried to put a smile on his face, but I suspect that I may be the new villain of the blog!John Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-1715814012564512192015-03-21T00:19:11.612+00:002015-03-21T00:19:11.612+00:00I've got mixed feelings on the subject of dele...I've got mixed feelings on the subject of deletions, JP. I've deleted some comments before myself, in order to deny some pleb the pleasure of seeing his remark in print. Of course, it would be better not to publish them to begin with, but sometimes the person's hostility isn't so obvious until he's submitted a few comments to the one post.<br /><br />What I objected to on the blog you refer to, is them lumping my comments in with Anon's, as if mine were also rude or vitriolic. I believe in the right to reply if someone's making inflammatory or accusatory remarks, as long as that reply is civil.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-40682840881966512612015-03-20T22:15:06.889+00:002015-03-20T22:15:06.889+00:00Words, opinions, debate - all part of our free spe...Words, opinions, debate - all part of our free speech, but when somebody butts into all this, spouting hostility ( whilst hiding behind anonymity! ) and these remarks have been already seen, I say leave them on to show the truth.<br />I've no doubt that I sometimes make a t*t out of myself, this is because I'm a mere human, so I hope that they will accept that I myself meant no offence with my remark, but unless they have read some of my comments to you, they wouldn't be familiar with my sense of humour! :-DJohn Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-38772953909105324182015-03-20T17:20:26.057+00:002015-03-20T17:20:26.057+00:00I've just taken a look. I did say to them in a...I've just taken a look. I did say to them in an email that if they were going to delete Anon's comments, then I wouldn't mind my responses to them also being deleted because they'd no longer be relevant. Most of mine are still there 'though, sort of giving the impression that I'm banging on a bit. I even refer to one of Anon's comments that no longer exists, which will probably confuse new readers. However, I appreciate that it's a difficult choice to make as to what goes and what stays.<br /><br />I agree with you that they'd be better with comment moderation if they wish to avoid a repeat of the situation. Obviously someone with a specific grudge against me was attempting to press my buttons on this occasion, but my absence won't guarantee the same thing not happening again with others.<br /><br />I must confess that I find their 'you guys are the best for being so well-behaved' attitude to be slightly patronising; an artificially-induced and maintained air of twee cordiality, where controversial issues are skirted around rather than faced head-on, seldom leads to a worthwhile discussion, in my view. As J.M. Keynes once said: "Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking." That doesn't necessarily mean insults or rudeness 'though.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-68182423602517176172015-03-20T16:00:34.970+00:002015-03-20T16:00:34.970+00:00Just in case you didn't know, Doug & Karen...Just in case you didn't know, Doug & Karen have "cleaned up" the post and reposted it - minus my "offensive" remark and 9 others!<br />Not sure I approve of this kind of censorship, so I made another comment, which shouldn't offend them.John Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8208684434542373762015-03-16T15:05:05.966+00:002015-03-16T15:05:05.966+00:00Or The Thing, 'cos he's got eczema.Or The Thing, 'cos he's got eczema.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8684915883852295682015-03-16T14:35:00.978+00:002015-03-16T14:35:00.978+00:00John, you are naughty !! Kid, don't forget tha...John, you are naughty !! Kid, don't forget that Daredevil was blind so that's disabled too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-73724781329802468492015-03-15T23:05:01.094+00:002015-03-15T23:05:01.094+00:00JP, you didn't! Did you? I suppose Professor X...JP, you didn't! Did you? I suppose Professor X was disabled, being in a wheelchair - but that wasn't to tick a PC box.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-85833315624914968912015-03-15T21:07:30.490+00:002015-03-15T21:07:30.490+00:00Oops! I hope it wasn't MY fault they took the ...Oops! I hope it wasn't MY fault they took the post down! I just happened along and added a comment right at the end!<br />I put:-<br />oh dear, oh dear....<br />I know! - How about a disabled Spider-Man?<br />( Sorry, but I couldn't resist it! )John Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035300858247327343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-26227977192308111632015-03-15T18:34:16.240+00:002015-03-15T18:34:16.240+00:00CJ & G: Yes, I'm aware that the blog post ...CJ & G: Yes, I'm aware that the blog post is missing. They've taken it down while they decide what to do with it. It may return.<br /><br />******<br /><br />DSE, That's true to a certain extent, certainly for intelligent, fair-minded people. However, even a brainbox can have his perceptions influenced by the suggestion of impropriety in someone's remarks and start to imagine what isn't there. As there has been a concerted effort by a few malcontents on previous occasions to cast me in a bad light, some people might begin to think there's no smoke without fire. And, when a comment is deleted amongst talk of vitriol, those who didn't get to read it for themselves might assume the charge to be true. I even received a comment from Anon, trying to goad me into providing a link to the site so that people could see that I'd had a 'vitriolic comment' deleted.<br /><br />******<br /><br />That's what I thought too, Graham, but it seems to have eluded one or two folk. Fortunately, everyone who has commented here so far can see the truth.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-710682978691867782015-03-15T17:59:49.842+00:002015-03-15T17:59:49.842+00:00I thought you did just fine, Kid. People have jus...I thought you did just fine, Kid. People have just gone nuts, bending over backwards looking for ways to get offended, and then everyone else bends over backwards to accommodate them. I certainly didn't see anything wrong with what you were saying, or the way you were saying it. You were expressing your opinion, and tactfully so. Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10547751537787941998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-91570909434116673342015-03-15T14:30:54.783+00:002015-03-15T14:30:54.783+00:00I feel the last word's overrated, I feel wheth...I feel the last word's overrated, I feel whether you should respond to a statement depends upon what you feel you can bring to a discussion.The first requirement there, is that it there has be an actual discussion in the first place. If someone is bandying insults and epithets, that's a pretty good indication that, that precondition hasn't been fulfilled. Say someone writes: You're an idiot DSE, your fingers should be sewn together so you can never utilise a keyboard again. What can you infer from those kind of assaults? Personally, they say what they like about me, I don't care, the only thing I care about is, is someone worth talking to? So occasionally I do respond, if they have something worth saying or I think that a misunderstanding may have ensued, otherwise I throw them in the bin. I know you might feel that you may have been slighted by that reference to -vitriol- and felt the need to respond to put the record straight and that's fair enough but none of your comments on that page seem at all vitriolic so they belie that notion for anyone bothers to read 'em.DeadSpiderEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687178085803686186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-64531955634006606432015-03-15T14:15:01.206+00:002015-03-15T14:15:01.206+00:00Kid, I just looked at the BAB site and the entire ...Kid, I just looked at the BAB site and the entire Miles Morales post has vanished !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-61644653168502808132015-03-15T13:53:58.530+00:002015-03-15T13:53:58.530+00:00Baab, I sometimes think that there's a few peo...Baab, I sometimes think that there's a few people who'd like to hit a nail into my head. Funny how people react that way to someone merely having a different opinion to them, eh?<br /><br />******<br /><br />DSE, my comment was a reply to Edo Bosnar's, wherein I said that I mainly agreed with him, but it was only simple courtesy to allow a wrongly maligned person a right of reply without accusing them of 'wanting the last word'. (Although, come to think of it, who else SHOULD have the last word when it comes to defending their good name? Okay, who laughed at the 'good name' part?) I suspect the deletion was a knee-jerk reaction, but I felt the (perhaps inadvertent) suggestion that MY comment had been vitriolic was wildly inaccurate.<br /><br />******<br /><br />Well, I don't think there was anything 'bad' at all in my comments, CJ, but I know what you mean. And I think you're spot on in your views on the politics/women/positive discrimination thing. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-4420890687606818132015-03-15T13:33:53.832+00:002015-03-15T13:33:53.832+00:00Kid, anybody who reads your blog regularly knows t...Kid, anybody who reads your blog regularly knows that you don't take insults lying down - I kept checking in to BAB precisely to see how you'd react and I have to say that I didn't consider the comments to be THAT bad - if you object to Johnny Storm being black then being called a bigot is par for the course and of course you had a right to answer back. When it comes to women in politics I really wonder how many women actually care that much - I once asked my mother if she thought it was strange that half the population (or 52 per-cent actually) are women yet there are so few women prime-ministers/presidents/chiefs of industry etc - she answered : "I suppose so, I've never really thought about it". It's mainly middle class women who bleat about the glass ceiling and middle class women mainly care about themselves - they aren't in the slightest bit bothered about the exploitation of working class women or working class men for that matter. And middle class women conveniently forget that they have far better opportunities and life chances than working class men. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-5726562784930049662015-03-15T13:04:47.252+00:002015-03-15T13:04:47.252+00:00Yeah--I just had a gander at the post that is the ...Yeah--I just had a gander at the post that is the subject here, it's a bit of train wreck, derailed, it seems, by one particular individual. The issue over semantics, besides being pedantic, was quite ironic, since -Latino- is gender specific, you should say (or write) -Latin- and this is the term used in media when such solecism isn't tolerated. There were some pretty good observations by other contributors, none of which my views would completely coincide, though it was rolling on quite nicely but there's always one that spoils if for the rest isn't there?<br /><br />Obviously, I haven't seen your deleted post, it's possible you've been hard done by, through a concern over being seen to be even handed over a subject that has raised controversy. Generally I would say a certain sensitivity is called for when this subject is the issue of concern but it should be balanced with a forthright attitude towards those deliberately sowing the dragon's teeth, which coincides with my estimations of Anon's contribution.DeadSpiderEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687178085803686186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-57814403140339800552015-03-15T12:39:39.767+00:002015-03-15T12:39:39.767+00:00
I think you hit the nail on the head in your opi...<br /><br />I think you hit the nail on the head in your opinion.<br />Very clear and concise.<br /><br />For the record,I have never in my life seen a white skinned person nor a black skinned person.<br />I have seen multiple variations in between.<br /><br />Its a classic divide and conquer taken to the simplest form,black or white.baabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07388667792167744260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8427304041756942132015-03-15T12:23:34.243+00:002015-03-15T12:23:34.243+00:00Interesting point, Ken, but I'm not convinced ...Interesting point, Ken, but I'm not convinced that it's the only way, or, indeed, that there's always a problem needing solved to begin with. For example, it's said that there's not enough women in politics, so women-only shortlists are drawn up for certain jobs.<br /><br />Well, who says there aren't enough women? Women, obviously. However, this assumes that men aren't going to properly represent them, which, to me, seems rather ridiculous. Politicians tend to see only potential voters - regardless of their gender - so, to the extent that they represent anyone (and whether they do or not - apart from themselves - is open to question), they're just as likely to represent women as they are men.<br /><br />And who's to say that there aren't as many women in politics as who want to be? If that's the case, there's no problem. True equality is treating everyone the same, so jobs should be open to all those qualified to fill the position, regardless of their gender or ethnic origin, or whatever. Then simply give the job to the best applicant. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-53577839583209453962015-03-15T12:05:14.386+00:002015-03-15T12:05:14.386+00:00Unfortunately positive discrimination can often b...Unfortunately positive discrimination can often be the only way to address problems/inequalities in society. The down side of course is that in some cases it is blatantly unfair to a person who is over qualified, different gender, religion etc to the minority who is benefitting.<br /><br />Obvious I know.<br /><br /><br />Ken.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753125912543544078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-69156737447834226172015-03-15T10:04:56.748+00:002015-03-15T10:04:56.748+00:00You're spot on, TC. I must confess to being se...You're spot on, TC. I must confess to being seriously disappointed about the way they've behaved over this. It's like inviting someone around to your house, giving them a meal with NO cutlery - and then saying that they're not allowed to eat with their fingers. Every single comment of mine was expressed in the most courteous and non-offensive of terms, yet some have come in for criticism from the pair merely because I sought to correct a false impression which they allowed.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-7048393628191649892015-03-15T04:40:18.836+00:002015-03-15T04:40:18.836+00:00I don't intend to visit that particular blog a...I don't intend to visit that particular blog again. It seems to me that they wanted a lot of comments to the effect of, "Oh, yes, of course, Miles Morales should be the new Spider-Man, we need more ethnic diversity, etc., etc.," and then hypocritically let fly with the false accusations of bigotry and racism when someone politely expressed a different opinion. <br /><br />No rational debate or discussion is possible when one side is free to hurl epithets, but the other can't express an opinion or even state a fact without being subjected to wild accusations. <br /><br />In the 1950's, if you wanted to cloud an issue and stifle dissent, you could accuse your opponent of being a "Communist" or a "Red." Today, labels like "racist," "sexist," "homophobe," and "Islamophobe" serve the same purpose. <br /><br />-TCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-59701193927775347272015-03-15T01:38:03.289+00:002015-03-15T01:38:03.289+00:00CJ, I updated my comment to include a response to ...CJ, I updated my comment to include a response to yours, but then deleted yours by mistake instead of my previous one. I've cut and pasted them into their proper sequence (the deleted one I took from my email inbox) - sorry about the absence of your avatar, which I can't duplicate.<br /><br />As for that other blog - I suspect that someone with a grudge (not the usual suspect) is deliberately trying to stir things up over there.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-8405355128812506822015-03-15T01:29:23.021+00:002015-03-15T01:29:23.021+00:00Kid, I see your response to my comment but where&#...Kid, I see your response to my comment but where's my original comment ? Yes, I thought you were polite and restrained but you always are - I too was baffled by that anonymous comment that called you a bigot for saying a black T'Challa and a white Spider-Man were the same. And I agree that if you're going to pose a controversial question then you must expect a bit of friction in the comments - poking the bear and complaining when it growls is a good way of putting it.Colin Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-45832069942319855052015-03-15T01:28:05.163+00:002015-03-15T01:28:05.163+00:00To be honest, I don't get too bent out of shap...To be honest, I don't get too bent out of shape about those changes myself, JP. I do think that most of them are completely unnecessary 'though, and would prefer them to be as close to the source material as possible. It makes sense to update Iron Man's origin from Viet-Nam, but I don't see why The Hulk's origin couldn't have included Rick Jones' involvement.<br /><br />What you say about people taking offence at anything is something I said on that other blog. It seems that someone took offence at it.<br /><br />******<br /><br />What irks me slightly, DSE, is blogs that ask controversial questions, but display an aversion to controversial answers, even politely-expressed ones. Avoiding dissent is not really something that can be done unless all they''re looking for is twee, insipid comments of assent to their own views.<br /><br />On the point of what is called 'positive discrimination' - people seem to forget that if you're only choosing women for jobs in order to meet a PC quota of females, then you're discriminating against men purely on the grounds of their gender, even when they might be better-qualified. (The same would be true in reverse, of course, before someone accuses me of being anti-women.)<br /><br />On that other blog, I suspect it might be a case of 'poking the bear, then accusing it of being aggressive when it growls'.<br /><br />The childishness of many so-called adults continues to amaze me.<br /><br />******<br /><br />Phil, to be honest, having a black guy being Cap for a while doesn't bother me, if it's an interesting story worth exploring and Steve Rogers eventually returns. If he's being replaced permanently as an exercise in 'diversity', then I think it's rather patronizing to black people. Of course, at the end of the day, there's more pressing matters to contend with in the real world, but there's something about the PC brigade which sits ill-at-ease with me. It seems to be the same people who say it's wrong to tell an 'Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman' joke on TV, but think that the increasing use of the 'c' word in telly programmes is cultural progress.<br /><br />******<br /><br />An interesting point, CJ, and very true. As I type this, there's just been an advert for an upcoming TV programme called something like 'Race - Things We're Scared To Say - But Are True' - I think I'll be watching it. Tell me, you've seen what I said on that other blog - I thought I was extremely polite and restrained, given what I was responding to. Do you think that's a fair assessment? Don't panic - you're allowed to say no.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.com