tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post341596035133795079..comments2024-03-27T12:09:07.950+00:00Comments on CRIVENS! COMICS & STUFF!: PART THIRTY-FOUR OF FAVOURITE COMICS OF THE PAST - THOR #432: "AT DEATH DO WE PART!"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-67139240134483602342015-03-21T11:45:05.128+00:002015-03-21T11:45:05.128+00:00I not only bought it, I also KEPT it, Dougie. What...I not only bought it, I also KEPT it, Dougie. What's more, I selfishly bought as many copies as I could whenever I saw one in a newsagents, thus depriving many Marvel maniacs of the chance of reading it. I just thought it was a brilliant comic. Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-66214641543843290012015-03-21T10:53:41.051+00:002015-03-21T10:53:41.051+00:00I bought that Thor comic too. I was living in Denn...I bought that Thor comic too. I was living in Dennistoun for the first time,in the early 90s and I was really enjoying the De Falco/Frenz pastiches of Lee/Kirby. I really liked the MC2 line about 7 or 8 years later.Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-52321419042195869872015-03-18T23:43:18.496+00:002015-03-18T23:43:18.496+00:00You hit the nail on the head with that comment, DS...You hit the nail on the head with that comment, DSE, especially the last part. Sometimes you just have to respond with a show of force because some people mistake (as Stan Lee put it) meekness for weakness.<br /><br />I haven't seen Red Tails or U571, but I know that you're a smart enough cookie to know what you're talking about.<br /><br />Not quite on the human condition, but in Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade, there's a symbolic shot of a 'plane's progress across the globe, but a country's modern name is listed on the map shown, not its name in the 1930s. (It may have been Iran instead of Persia, I can't quite recall.) When something like that happens, I just regard it as a modern translation for a contemporary audience.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-10008601760571101822015-03-18T22:19:50.012+00:002015-03-18T22:19:50.012+00:00The fantasy threshold, it's an interesting top...The fantasy threshold, it's an interesting topic, why some should baulk at certain fantastic premises presented in fiction while others let them ride. A certain licence in that respect doesn't really bother me, Stone Men from Saturn, John Carter on Mars they're all things I take in my stride. It's interesting to note though, the pains certain authors take to defend the -authenticity- of their work. I recall, Sir Walter Scott's foreword to Ivanhoe, where he takes on those that scoffed at the veracity of his vision of the mediaeval world.<br /><br />What I do take issue is with, is realism in the broader context of the representation of the human condition and deliberately misrepresenting significant historical events. A good example of the latter, would be George Lucas's Red Tails. I saw it recently and I'm afraid to say, I found profoundly offensive. I think he got off lightly with the drubbing he received from critics over that. There's a difference between deliberate -misrepresentation- and artistic licence in the service of entertainment though. For instance, U571, the film that was castigated so roundly in the British media offers no pretensions of authenticity so the liberties it takes with history, don't bother me in the slightest. As for misrepresenting the human condition, I would cite Star Trek TNG as a major culprit, the notion that every crisis can be resolved by -nice- folk being -nice- to every one is just a horrible lie.DeadSpiderEyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687178085803686186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-59059476484899518432015-03-18T14:22:21.232+00:002015-03-18T14:22:21.232+00:00I never had a problem with the 'suspension of ...I never had a problem with the 'suspension of disbelief' when it came to fantasy stories, CJ. I knew Norse Thunder gods didn't walk the Earth, so a few Stone Men from Saturn weren't going to bother me. I could imagine the Stone Men having a scientifically-produced protective 'aura' around their planet, which would provide misinformation to astronomers on other worlds (and galaxies and solar systems), in order to thwart the possibility of attack.<br /><br />As for dinosaurs and humans co-existing, I'm prepared to accept the possibility that some dinosaurs still roamed isolated parts of the globe, hence legends of dragons, etc. Apparently (as I mentioned before), there are examples of shod human footprints criss-crossing over dinosaur tracks, which suggests that it's not as far-fetched as it sounds. Some branches of 'science' are as much a religion as various religious institutions, and it's more 'faith' that drives their ideas than facts. Scientific theories are always being revised anyway, which tends to suggest a helluva lot of flexibility.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-73463963862609310532015-03-18T13:52:50.384+00:002015-03-18T13:52:50.384+00:00Kid, what you say is true of course but for me the...Kid, what you say is true of course but for me there should be a certain level of "believability" even thought it's fantasy - as a child I was very interested in astronomy (I still am actually) and so I knew that Saturn was a "gas giant" which had neither stone nor a solid surface. I get the impression that Saturn was simply plucked out of the air as the homeworld of the Stone Men without any understanding of its' composition. It is this sort of befuddled attitude to science that leads to people thinking that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. I know it's fantasy but there should be limits. Anyway, that Thor tale is identical to the stories that Marvel were producing before The FF where an alien invasion from the Planet X or wherever would be thwarted by a plucky individual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-26943711654242450182015-03-17T23:49:11.990+00:002015-03-17T23:49:11.990+00:00I don't think they were clueless, CJ, they jus...I don't think they were clueless, CJ, they just didn't bother letting the facts get in the way of telling a story - especially as comics were for kids, remember. If a radioactive spider bit you, you'd probably die, not absorb its powers. They were comicbooks devoted to fantasy, not science manuals dedicated to facts. Personally, I love the Stone Men.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-14450846540633359922015-03-17T23:36:56.630+00:002015-03-17T23:36:56.630+00:00If a 23 year-old thinks 1991 is prehistoric what d...If a 23 year-old thinks 1991 is prehistoric what does he think of the '70s ? It's difficult to believe that nobody under 38 was even born when I was reading Planet Of The Apes every week. I've got to say that I always chuckle at the Stone Men from Saturn - they are a perfect example of how clueless comics writers were about basic science. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-34759176579388271152015-03-17T23:04:21.503+00:002015-03-17T23:04:21.503+00:00It's probably my all-time favourite origin, Ba...It's probably my all-time favourite origin, Baab - followed by Iron Man's. Both scripted by Stan's brother Larry Lieber, who came up with the names Uru, Don Blake & Tony Stark. He's also responsible for Henry Pym's name. Stan usually tried to make his names alliterative, Larry didn't bother.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3740495193314269367.post-51692724255613814682015-03-17T22:57:34.461+00:002015-03-17T22:57:34.461+00:00The Kirby drawn origin story still fills me with w...The Kirby drawn origin story still fills me with wonder.baabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07388667792167744260noreply@blogger.com